2.4 patch notes...they aren't unique any longer.

Hm I was wondering about that one too ...
Why implement a weapon that is conjured, bound to Stratholme and lasts only for 10 minutes outside that instance?
That item really seems to be useless in the sheet, since the only time you get to use the weapon is when you complete Atiesh for someone and then of cause you would use it in the fight, never mind if your epic weapon might be better. It's not like at level 70 it's really about maximizing the dps on the Atiesh fight, is it?

You'll never be able to use the sword anywhere else, so I'd say drop it from the sheet.
Keep in mind that Patch 2.4 will bring new weapons that need Space in the sheet.

I appreciate the cleanup efforts as it is a bit cumbersome to scroll through some of the drop-downs, but I would caution against being too hasty in removing some of the items. There was talk of adding the blue lvl 70 PvP items to rep vendors in 2.4; I don't know if that will include weapons or not, but if it does then they will certainly be used by new lvl 70 rogues as I'm sure there are folks who would prefer to just spend some gold on weapons as opposed to grind the honor.

Also, as an up-and-coming rogue (pre-70 even) I wasted an inordinate amount of time inputting my gear and planning upgrades. It was fun watching my predicted dps numbers climb as I obtained new gear. I don't know what the solution to this is, since there has to be a balance between convenience and usability. Sometimes it's easy to forget that not all rogues are in T4+ gear by now.

Just some thoughts, feel free to disregard.

Ohw, I'm sorry, didn't knew that.

sup with the insane underrepresentation of the asstounge lethality thingy trinket? :/
isnt like constant 6.6% crit or whatever kinda decent?~

I can't comment for sure on whether the sheet is underestimating Ashtongue or not, but it should be noted that it's not a constant 6.5% crit. Most sword rogues will find it hard to keep the trinket up more than about 75% of the time, which brings it down to around 5% crit in raid situations. Still good? Definitely. Clearly superior to other options? No.

Again, it may be the case that this sheet is somewhat underestimating the value of the trinket - I haven't investigated the matter in great detail. Off the top of my head, though, it looks... close. Maybe a little on the low side, but it's definitely not being "insanely underrepresented".

First of all, please let me apologize if this is already a known issue.

It appears, however, that the Energy Expansion of the Buffed Cycles sheet ('Buffed Cycles'!M4 or "eec") does not account for the energy use of Shadowstep usage.

The first part of the formula currently reads:

=(10-M5/120*blfl+150/300*arush+bonenergy+L1)/10...

Whereas, the first part of the formula should read:

=(10-M5/120*blfl+150/300*arush+bonenergy+L1-IF(Talents!L46=1,10/30,0))/10...

Alternately, I suppose it is possible that the Energy Expansion of the Unbuffed Cycles ('Unbuffed Cycles'!M4 or "ueec") should have the above bolded statement removed, if we do not want to model that.

Either way, I would think that the two formulas should be analogous to one another.

The Ashtongue does seem a little undervalued. I'm aware of the issue, but haven't figured out a really good way to address it. The formula seems to be implemented decently, but it gives results in many circumstances that seem high. As a result, a previous developer chose to assign it 70% of its calculated value which may now be a little low.

I've toyed with the idea of arbitrarily raising that to 85% until it can be addressed more directly. Just haven't decided to make that change yet. My plan was to look at this again after the hopefully soon to be remodeled AR and see how that affects the results.

Yeah, that's not a bad idea in general. I'll have to look at the Macro and see if there is an easy why to do that. I'd probably lean toward Glinting Nobel Topaz as it activates both yellow and red sockets and would be more useful for general gear comparisons. Of course, I do have plans to make the upgrade macro auto-select gems based on slot color (of the user's choosing) which would also resolve a lot of the problem.

It's a good idea though, and if it's not too difficult to do, it should get done soon.

I also have an idea to make unmodeled random gear testing a little easy. It wouldn't be too hard to designate one item slot on each list as "Choose your own". I could put a condensed item list at the bottom of the page that gives you one slot to enter your own item data for each item type. That way if one wanted to test some of the supposed upcoming Sunwell gear, they could enter it there and see.

A lot of this will just depend on how much time I find to do coding as there is a lot that could use some sprucing up.

well even if it is 70%, that's 101.5 crit rating, it equals to bloodlust brooch for me which is 72+ the use which is... 278*20/120? How can 101.5 crit rating not beat 118.33ap by a TON when crit's on 0.79 APE and AP's on 0.45 buffed? :/

One thing that seems to be missing is the Draenei group buff, +1% hit, inspiring presence I think it's called. Shouldn't there be a row under raid buffs for this?
Or is it somewhere else on the sheet and I missed it?

That's 70% of the calculated value, not necessarily uptime. I'm not sure what the issue is, but if I remove the 70% "nerfing" it gets rated higher than DST which doesn't seem right either. It's something that is included in areas I'm currently looking at. I looking to implement more accurate ppm proc mechanics (but need to set a little foundation first). Then I will go more in-depth with some of the other special procs like the Ashtongue. Until I really go over it in-depth, my inclination is to leave it as it was modeled by the previous developers.

To be perfectly honest, it should probably get modeled as part of the cycle sheets and I may try to do that. In the meantime, if you are looking for more accurate comparisons of trinkets with special procs, I'd have to suggest the Gear sheet as I know Aldriana has spent a significant amount of effort on accurate portrayals of these. I hope to get there someday, but it's not there yet. Probably looking at a few versions before I'd be ready to attest to the accuracy of special cases like the Ashtongue.

I can seem to find Talon of the Phoenix and Claw of the Phoenix, (fist weapons from Al'ar) in the spreadsheet.
Considering the use of a Sword/Fist spec, I'd love to have these added.

Did you change the dropdown menus from sword to fist?

Had a look around, but unable to find where to change it

If you could be ever so kind, as to give me some pointers

Edit: Never mind. I found it. Thanks for making me look for it

Right side blue boxes, where a bunch of options are.

A little typo : the +12 agi and +12 HR gems don't exist for jewelcrafter (and make me sad!).

Hello,

I've been tweaking a CP/Hemo build to see how it scales with gear. My current project is testing trading off some CP for Dirty Deeds. My goal is to see how much more effective finshing trash with Eviscerate can be.

I noticed that while the spreadsheet modifies instant attack damage effectively, it doesn't seem to modify finisher damage effectively for the dirty deeds talent.

Either A) Dirty Deeds doesnt modify rupture and eviscerate when the target is under 35% hp, or B) it hasn't been built into the spreadsheet yet.

Thanks

Hey, new version, joy :P
I'm here for the ashtongue trinket... the new version gives 3.75 dps upgrade to the Hourgrass which shocked me. Rogue gear gives 21.1 dps.... the difference is scary. I saw Aldriana's post that it is almost correct, but bit less, but that's like 6 times difference... I still have to trust Ashtongue is the best upgrade I will ever get since I won't see gruul's one?

I did brief review of trinkets in general. I found what I didn't like. It seems the DST looked rather undervalued so I adjusted it, thus I feel more comfortable with where Ashtongue sits relative to DST with the "nerfing" removed. You can expect Ashtongue to show as a sizably better trinket than it currently was showing. I also adjusted some of the other proc trinkets based on the ballpark proc formula I used for weapons. Comparing them to the Gear sheet, there are some mild differences but they all now seem in a closer ballpark now.

Nice, thanks, eagerly expecting the new version then

So - possibly maybe perhaps we'll be seeing Envenom changed to not consume DP stacks. Anyone got a tweaked version of the sheet to see how this affects things? Looks like it'll be strictly superior to Eviscerate, but probably still inferior to Rupture? That means it probably doesn't make a lot of difference to most playstyles - on the other hand Mutilate may well end up somewhat buffed in a raid setting.

It is superior to Eviscerate, but like the people say on mmo-champion.com: they're not official (yet). First you need a blue post saying this will indeed be a change.