• Vulajin

Err...would you mind taking a look at the Roguecraft sheet and tell me if there's something wrong with its models, then? When I keep Focused Attacks the way it currently is, I consistently find that a slow/fast combo with DP/IP outdamages a fast/slow combo with IP/DP, using equivalent weapons (Hateful Gladiator's Shanker/Shiv/Mutilator).

 

• Aldriana

Well, that I've found so far, two things, both on the DPS page:

1) Cells I32:I37. Is there a reason why column G is excluded from this sum? You're counting the extra hits from Rupture and Eviscerate, but not from Envenom, which is part of the reason the difference is showing up - there are only half as many "extra" attacks from finishers on the MH as there should be.

2) Cells O9 and O10; one of these has base IP damage at 250, and the other has it at 350; hence, MH poisons aren't hitting as hard as they should.

Making these two changes, I find slow OH/fast MH comes out 34 DPS ahead of the reverse, which is really pretty close to the 30 DPS I estimated.

 

Havenwood

In build 8982, according to the combat log, the actual energy gained from Focused Attacks is always 2 energy, despite the tooltip saying otherwise.

1/3 is a 33% chance to gain 2 energy, 2/3 is a 66% chance to gain 2 energy, and 3/3 is a 100% chance to gain 2 energy.

 

• Vulajin

Verified for 1/3 Focused Attacks. 100 crits, 34 procs.

Verified for 2/3 Focused Attacks. 100 crits, 71 procs.

Verified for 3/3 Focused Attacks. 100 crits, 100 procs.

(Also, thanks for pointing out those blatantly stupid errors, Ald.)

 

silotallaja

This is a bit vague to me, does this include all attacks? Like SS and hemo and stuff, or does it mean all the abilites stated in the tooltip (garrote, ambush, muti and backstab)?

 

Zaniel

Just Backstab, Mutilate, Garrote, and Ambush, but constant 10%/20% increase to those four.

 

lolswordspec

So, at the end of the day when all is said and done, Mutilate Builds get -3% special damage which is probably less than a 1% damage nerf.

Shiv spec remains unchanged, Combat remains unbuffed, and weapon speed questions remain unanswered. Is anyone else slightly disappointed?

 

• Aldriana

Nope. We've been getting a few changes each patch, which are generally improvements to the overall balance of the class. It's certainly not finished yet, but, as they still have a month and a half to find tune it, I'd say they're right on track. So no, I'm not even remotely disappointed - so far, in fact, I've been pretty happy with what I'm seeing out of Blizzard.

 

• Neto-

Well, Focused Attacks is 2 energy instead of 3, as mentioned before in this thread, which is a pretty significant change.

Disappointed? Far from that. I'm rather unimpressed with how the Combat tree is setup at the moment, more specifically, tier 4 and 5, but other than that, no complaints. I mean, I wouldn't mind a change to Relentless Strikes... but I can live with that.

 

Elassar

Doesn't look like anyone has mentioned this yet, but you can no longer use special attacks while in the middle of Killing Spree. You can, however, still use non-damaging abilities (Ad Rush, Blade Flurry, Sprint, Evasion, Vanish etc.).

Boo.

 

Oscarvil

It's not too bad. Killing spree should only take 2.5 seconds so if you activate it on zero energy you'll only have 25 by the time it's done. The more worrying thing is if it stops autoattacks as well as special attacks in the new build.

 

• Aldriana

I suspect that change is for PvP reasons; while it has little-to-no effect on PvE DPS (assuming you still autoattack during it) it does reduce the potential for ridiculous burst damage in 2.5 seconds.

 

Elassar

At first glance I figured it was just a PvP nerf, then Oscarvil's point got me curious so I took another look at it and not only can you not auto-attack while Spreeing, but it also turns off your auto-attack entirely (and you cannot re-engage it mid-Spree)

 

basto

I was just playing around on the PTR and discovered something interesting... I was doing some DPS testing on the servants in blasted lands when one of the felguard patrols walked over me and started fighting me as well, I figured i would just ignore him and focus on my DPS test. A few seconds later the felguard died which was puzzling to me since I did not have blade flurry up at the moment. Then it hit me... unfair advantage will hit whoever attacked you even if you do not have them targeted... very interesting.

Makes me wonder how viable it could be for evasion tanking even with the once per second limitation.

Sorry if this has already been discussed in here but I have not seen in my brief perusal of the thread.

 

◊ chalon

Well, they've acknowledged that Combat is behind Mutilate, and they've said they are still looking into increasing Combat's damage. There's not really much we can do on that front, just wait for their changes, run the numbers on it, and see where everything stands.

 

• Vulajin

Notes on Killing Spree from extensively playing around with it tonight:

- As posted above, it turns off your auto attack and won't allow you to turn it back on until the ability completes.
- It uses the special attack hit rate. (Obvious, but verified anyway.)
- It does not glance. (Obvious, but verified anyway.)
- It does not proc Sword Specialization.
- It does not proc Combat Potency.
- It does proc Mongoose.
- It does not appear to be able to dodged, regardless of expertise or Surprise Attacks. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I've been casting the ability periodically with 0/2 Weapon Expertise, no Surprise Attacks, and 0 expertise rating, and haven't seen a dodge by the Heroic Training Dummy about thirty minutes.

 

gokpog

Since it looks as if it's treated as a special attack, are the attacks normalized?

 

• Vulajin

Yes, they use normalized AP damage contribution.

(edit) Another random tidbit, the target selection by Killing Spree is 100% uncontrollable, it does not depend on your current target or other targets within the radius of your target. It only depends on the targets that are within 10 yards of you, it will randomly choose from those one at a time. It does seem to choose for maximum target distribution first, and if there aren't enough targets to split up all five attacks, then it'll repeat target selection, again aiming for maximum target distribution, until it finishes.

Also, the eligible targets are determined by your initial position when performing the ability, not by any positions you take while performing it.

 

Waldar

With the change of the ability i wonder if killing spree is still hitting two targets if cast while under blade furry ?

 

Akka

There is something eluding me here...
Tailoring is typically (exclusively ?) for cloth classes - what would any non-cloth class get from tailoring ?
And I don't see which cloth class would benefit from AP increase. Leather, yes, but cloth ?
Am I missing something ?

*puzzled*

If violence doesn't solve your problem...
... you simply haven't been violent enough !

 

Conq[SUN]

Just because it is typically for cloth classes doesn't mean that there aren't any mellee with tailoring. I know a few myself.
I'm glad Blizzard didn't forget them.

On the other hand I see more of a pattern with getting tradeskills just to enchant an item and then dropping the skill again. Just like we see today with enchanting. So when you are maxed in items you get all the different proffesions just to enchant your items.

 

Sneakiest

People who take up the class for economical reasons maybe? Or alts with professions you don't have on your main? Personally I don't see tailoring as a huge money maker, but it's comparable to how they put spell damage fur linings available for Leatherworkers -- though that does make sense for elemental shamen. Other than them, no typical LW classes should be needing it.

Perhaphs they're trying to move away exactly from having tailoring as exclusively a cloth-class related profession and applying the same to Leatherworking?

 

◊ pewsey

Resto Shaman, Resto Druids?

Pewsey has heard about tact and discretion, but tends to regard them much as children view vegetables.
Nemesis: "Pewsey is single-handedly turning around every guy in the BB that didn't want to have kids."
Viator: Because I had a baby so I'm better than non-breeders.

 

Akka

Moonkins and trees of life will tend to disagree, I think.

Well, I suppose that Blizzard wish to make any profession giving a little bonus to whatever character use it, even if having a class completely unrelated with the profession itself. But I keep wondering the use of being a tailor on a mélée class. Though it doesn't bother me, it only puzzles me.

If violence doesn't solve your problem...
... you simply haven't been violent enough !

 

Sneakiest

I stand corrected (and feeling stupid). Carry on.