Looks to be roughly a 200-300 DPS boost depending on the fight. In all fairness stefang was topping their charts before he had the bow so it's really not surprise that stefang is still topping them now.

Rogues could legitimately be replaced by throidal hunters but how many guilds are there with more than 3 already? how many will there be before WotLK? I'd chalk that imbalance up to poor for site on blizzard's part what with the no ammo change and steady shot mechanics making the bow absurdly overpowered.

As a mutilate spec, the usual situation when I cap is when I'm filling my bar to restart the snd,mut,mut,rupt cycle. I usually have 2, 3 or 4 cp (depending on crit/ruth procs) and I wait until ~80 energy. If the talent proc I get +25 and if the tick just happens there I get 80+25+20 and I feel like I'm loosing energy. If I only wait for ~60energy, and the +25 doesnt proc I really struggle to get the 2 mutilates just in time :/

I'm unsure if this has been said before and I hope it hasn't but wouldn't a fair and extremely helpful buff for rogues be if haste affected energy gain? When looking at a damage meter you can always tell what rogue did the most dps by looking at the energy gained meter (assuming they no how to play their class). It seems as if either haste affecting the cooldowns of blade furry/ar/trinkets or affecting energy gain would be a good fair buff. Personally it doesn't seem as if a group buff fits into the "rogue" character and thus I am trying to think of some other way to make a rogue more effective. It seems to me with shamans being able to heal/melee dps/caster dps and paladins being able to tank/melee dps/heal and warriors being able to dps/tank that it makes no sense as to why a rogue that has no party buffs and can do nothing but dps shouldn't be the best at dpsing. It seems as if it would be appropriate to put rogues clearly on top of damage meters since it is the only thing the class can actually do and making haste affect energy gain is a fair way to do it.

Jay stated...

"We don't provide any raid or group synergy but we rely on raid and group makeup more than any other dps class. Now I'm not one of those who thinks the "fix" is to give us some type of utility. In fact I like the underlying class mechanics of a rogue , hence why I play it.

To brass tacks, do you feel that in the current incarnation of the game that Blizz is able to bring us on par with other damage dealing classes with regards to raiding?

I personally am starting to feel that they can't due to balance issues in other aspects of the game. The biggest balance issue is mainly if they were to increase our "base" dmg it would have ripples in the pvp/arena scene. Adding to this is the "Glaive/Sword" situation. What I mean by that is the weapon imbalance already present wouldn't be fixed in fact it would be exacerbated. Though by WotLK raiding the glaive issue will be gone (I believe) but the sword issue won't be. I understand as well the need to keep different aspects of the game balanced and I don't have a huge problem with it. I'm also not going to expect sweeping class changes. So with the expansion on the horizon and with it a new melee dps class is it time for a reroll? "


I agree with you that Blizz will find it very difficult to keep our class viable. If all we do is damage then we are automatically the least valuable dps in the raid...dmg being equal. One simple change would add indispensible utility without making us any more powerful in pvp. Simply transfer some or all of the threat reduced by feint to the tank. I realize most rogues hate using feint. I do too. I want to top dmg not buff the tank. However we're quickly becoming the most disposable class in the game if nothing changes.