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There's a little something there, but it doesn't give any specifics except for the coefficients...

I suspect the order on instant and deadly coefficients should have been reversed. Nonetheless, I think they are fair changes - although I am sad they removed the PVP portion of infectious poisons. Now they just need to do something with turn the tables and assassination should be pretty solid.

Been lurking for awhile now and with all the theorycrafting flying around I thought I'd get more involved.

IMO this is a great solution to re-balancing poisons to be more in-line with physical damage output. Though the damage numbers have been lowered, it still makes up a large enough % of our overall output that ignoring poison damage contribution is still foolhardy.

If I had beta access I'd test whether the increased Mutilate damage from using slow MH/fast OH and slow MH/slow OH is on par with using double fast to take advantage of poisons.

Let's assume a 5 minute fight with 100% uptime of SnD + WF Totem. Assuming an average of 60% haste for those 5 minutes, a MH dagger with 1.80 base speed would have 1.06, giving 283 MH white swings. Taking into account an average uptime of 40% from Envenom increased poison proc chance (a rough estimate. 12 seconds for 2 Mutilates = Envenom every 12 seconds. 5 CP Envenom grants 6 seconds of increased poison proc but there will be 4 CP Envenoms used, granting 5 seconds.) you would have on average a 42% chance to proc IP. That would be 119 IP procs.

Using a 1.40 base speed dagger in the MH after 60% haste your MH speed would be .84 seconds. That equates to 357 MH swings. With 42% chance to proc IP, you would get 150 IP procs from those swings. Only 31 more IP procs over a 5 minute fight going from 1.80 speed down to 1.40

If someone on beta could do a little testing to see the increase in Mutilate damage going from 1.40 MH to 1.80 MH and compare it to the average IP and DP damage from 39 procs it'd be much appreciated. But my opinion is that this may help Mutilate damage catch up to poisons, letting us get use out of both slow and fast daggers.


As an aside, I haven't slept in over a day and typed this up at work. It may very well be possible that all these words make no sense whatsoever, so please correct me if I'm wrong -.-

I'm wondering why they made an "improved cp" glyph for SS and not BS, while it's the BS builds which lacks the most in cp generation.
Well, 5 % is 5 %. It's not huge, but it's still 5 % more combo attacks in a fights, which means a roughly 1,5 % DPS increase with actual damage distribution (which will certainly change, of course). That's not bad for a "free" bonus.
T6 bonus was 6 % increased damage for cp moves. It's practically the same, just in a different way, a bit less powerful, but a bit more flexible.

The only thing making me wailing in pain, is that they seem intent on keeping 5-pieces sets :-/

In particular: 5% cheaper combo moves gives both 5% more damage from them, but also 5% more combo point generation, and thus more damage from finishers as well. Which, given the relative increase in finisher damage, means that the Naxx-set 4/5 is probably strictly better than the T6 4/5. Now, the T6 4/5 set bonus is certainly not one of the absolute all-time best set bonuses - it pales in comparison to the 2/5, for instance. But it's not at all bad, and it's significantly better than a lot of the set bonuses we've had.

Also note that that this is the initial set. While the 2/5 might not be quite as good as the T4 2/5, the 4/5 is certainly significantly better than the T4 4/5. So I don't think we really have much grounds for complaint about the set bonuses in terms of power.

Now, that said: it does have implications in terms of balance. Like, the extra CPs don't much matter to Mutilate, as it's mostly just spamming Envenom anyway. Meanwhile, a non-CttC build gets proportionately more CP per cycle, and thus benefits more. Similarly, different builds have different reliance on Rupture, so the set bonus will affect balance in that respect as well.

It will also require some testing to figure out how the 5% reduction is applied when the ability cost is not divisible by 20 - for instance, Shiv and Hemo. For that matter, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the energy reduction on SS is calculated off the base 45 energy cost rather than the Improved 40 energy cost - as I recall from Lucifron back in the day, Imp SS with the curse up costs 45 * 2 - 5 = 85 energy rather than (45-5)*2 = 80 energy. Depending on how rounding works, this might not matter in the slightest... but we'll have to test to see for sure.