There are 3 factors related to offhand speed for mutilate. If your offhand is slower, holding dps constant:
- mutilate on average hits harder
- application rate of instant poison from mutilate is higher
- your offhand crits are less frequent, which means you gain less energy through Focused Attacks


My analysis shows that the last effect dominates, so it's still better to use fast offhand when you are using eviscerate, double IP spec.

EDIT: changed order of factors

In my gear (primarily Ulduar 25), double IP does NOT come out ahead of IP/DP on the sheet. I actually never could get it ahead by any amount unless I went to Tier 9 equivalent gear, getting rid of the T8 set bonus, and then replaced the Glyph of Rupture with Glyph of Eviscerate. Even then it was only by about 2 DPS.

yes, I did re-check the results and true, ip dp goes ahed actually quite alot but only if you use 0/3 MP 4/3/4 rotation, im just having hard time to believe that DP could stack fast enough without MP

Indeed there was an error with MP not being included when using Xe/Yr/Ze (CttC)

Ok, I must be having a complete brain fart but when adding weapons I cannot figure out what the damage column means. At first, I thought it was max damage on the range... when looking at the current listed weapons, I cannot trace which value they are...for example, Malice has a number 448, nowhere on [Malice] do I see that.

Thanks in advance, sorry for noobishness.

It's the average. (313+582) / 2 = 447.5

I added a 3.2.2 version with Master Poisoner changes and Envenom scaling with 9% with AP.

Hi Vef.

Does your Mutilate sheet accurately Model the Tier9 Bonuses?

The reason for asking is; I've been fiddling around with the sheet for the last couple of days trying to find a way to justify 2 sets of gear. The first utilizes my existing 5pc of T8 in various combinations, along with Non-HC Colosseum Loot. This gives an approximately 10% dps boost from my existing set. The second replacing all T8 with T9.245. This is a 1% dps Loss from Tier8 gemmed for agility, and 0.8% gemmed for Pure AP.

The offset pieces I've selected are as follows:
[Hood of Lethal Intent]
[Collar of Ceaseless Torment]
[Soul-Devouring Cinch]
[Acidmaw Treads]
[Armbands of Dark Determination]
[Dexterous Brightstone Ring]
[Planestalker Band]
[Death's Choice]
[Dark Matter]
[Cloak of the Untamed Predator]

The only way it's possible, for Mutilate using this level of gear, to surpass Tier8 is to Only use Heroic/HC loot, which whilst an admirable goal, it somewhat unlikely in the short-to medium term, even then only providing under a percent of DPS gain.

To cut a long story short, is Tier9 really that bad for Mutilate, or am I doing something horrifically wrong with the sheet? I hope it's the former though, as our guild's SKG system really fails to enmesh with, in any way, with Colosseum method of giving out tokens.

Thanks for your time.

It's pretty bad for combat as well. Badge version of T9 is too low to break the T8 4pc for it, the normal version (token+badges) is barely pulling ahead if using 4pc, and the only version of T9 which is actually a big increase is the heroic version, which isn't even out yet. Pretty sad, T8 4pc is so good that you don't want to break it

I`ll add a Xs/Ye/Ze cycle for combat in the next days

I'm pretty sure the second 'e' is referring to a second eviscerate, for obvious reasons.