Ah, there we go. That lowered the gap by a good chunk. Is it safe to assume that another chunk of this damage disparity is due to the spreadsheet assuming that the target is always poisoned for increased mutilate damage? In short I'm trying to see if I'm executing my rotations properly. Maybe switch the instant poison to a wound poison and try to match the spreadsheet's lower output, figuring that wound poison will always be up for full damage mutilates?

Right, but if you can't maintain 100% uptime on SnD and HfB then there's no point in trying to run it as a 3 finisher rotation, which was what I was exploring.. I could've been clearer as to what context I was considering priorities in though.

No, training dummies are considered Mechanical (it even says so in game) and are not affected by Murder. I've also tested this to confirm.

Noticed something strange on my sheet regarding 32ap gems v 16 agi.

firstly, my setup: buffs were left the same as default with the exception of mow being set to true. im not using tot. talents are 15/51/5 using 2/5/4 rotation with dual wp. ss/snd/rupture glyphs.

if i replace an ap gem with an agi gem, i lose .07 dps. if then replace another ap gem with agi, i lose over 1 dps. then the next gem is only .07 dps loss again. and of course the 4th gem i lose over 1 dps point again.

what is causing this, and should i be concerned?

That behavior is probably due to the way fractions of stats are handled. If all your raid buffs are active, you have 10% increased AP and 10% increased Agi, and probably some others I'm forgetting about. This is probably resulting in fractions, which would explain those alternating drops in DPS from replacing several gems.

perhaps a question that has been answered before (couldnt find it though). but is there/does any1 have the armor values from naxx25 bosses? like to keep the spreadsheet as correct as possible, and since im never ever making the 4850dps the spreadsheet sais, i was assuming the problem lies in incorrect armor values.

With the latest findings that expertise does not truncate, how would I go about modifying the sheet to reflect this change? Or would it be possible to get an updated sheet to reflect these findings?

A quick questions about the results I get with the spreadsheet. I'm using the standard mutilate build.

When I put instant poison on the main hand I get more DPS than I do with wound poison. However If I manually calculate the amount of poison damage each swing should do, I seem to get it the other way around. If I account for Improved Poison, IP should do 301 * 0.3 = 90.3, while Wound should be at 231 * 0.5 = 115.5. So what is my major fuck-up here?

By manually do you mean based on the number you see on the poison itself? Then what's missing is your AP. Instant scales by 0.1 * AP, while Wound scales by 0.04 * AP.

You forgot Vile Poisons - Spell - World of Warcraft

I believe altering cell C6 on all DPS sheets should do the trick.
Just remove the first modifier from the formula. Can't tell you the exact name though, since I have no idea how it is translated into English ('floor' like in php?).

I'm trying to figure out what cell to edit for the SnD change.
Can anyone tell me if this is correct?

Sheet: DPS
Cell: C7
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You're missing the SnD changes in tabs "DPS calc 2" and "DPS calc 3". Following are the changes I've made to reflect the 3.09 notes:

Mutilate 150% -> 120%
- Tab "DPS", cell G21: substring "1+0,2*OR" instead of "1+0,5*OR"

HfB 9% -> 15%
- Tab "DPS", cell B51: substring "(1+0,15*thfb)" instead of "(1+0,09*thfb)"

SnD 30% -> 40%
- Tab "DPS", cell C7: substring "(1+(0,4+0,05*t62pc)*cycleslice3)" instead of "(1+(0,3+0,05*t62pc)*cycleslice3)"
- Unhide tabs "DPS calc 2" and "DPS calc 3".
- Tab "DPS calc 2", cell C7: substring "(1+(0,4+0,05*t62pc)*cycleslice1)" instead of "(1+(0,3+0,05*t62pc)*cycleslice1)"
- Tab "DPS calc 3", cell C7: substring "(1+(0,4+0,05*t62pc)*cycleslice2)" instead of "(1+(0,3+0,05*t62pc)*cycleslice2)"

Resulting in a ~300 DPS gain like Aldriana reported in the Optimal Mutilate Gear Spreadsheet thread with close to best-in-slot gear.

These changes, if correct, increase my DPS by 4.59% (213 DPS) as combat fist/dagger (KT Reach and WD). A small change in rotation is also needed.

I would say this is a significant increase (if the modifications to the sheet are correct).

Thanks for clarifying that. Result is indeed 199,90 DPS increase.

Well, plugging in these (upcoming)changes (plus the 25->32 crit change to skinning) makes my current weapon choices;
LPC(mongoose)-IP / Anarchy(berserking)-DP about 2% worse than LPC(mongoose)-IP / LPC(mongoose)-IP.

/cry

edit: ofc I forgot to change using Evis instead of Envenom, which leads to a dps decrease. Post can be ignored

Did you change it so the sheet assumes the target is poisoned when you're using instant?

Eviscerate - Spell - World of Warcraft

Eviscerate has a variable contribution from AP based on CP, which averages out to 25% at 5 points.

Did not, thanks for spotting, I should get to know the sheet abit better before fiddling with it
Would omitting the OR statement in the Mutilate total-dps calc do this, or is more needed?

That would do it. It basically multiplies the bonus by either 1 or 0 depending on the conditional.

Per recent testings, it seems that the Eviscerate tooltip is actually wrong.

However, by looking at the formula in Aldriana's spreadsheet, it looks like it uses 28% AP, so perhaps we could use some clarification on this matter.

Doing what Leto suggested, double LPC mongoose double IP comes in at the same (+1dps) as my current setup, LPC mongoose IP / Anarchy berserking DP. Like Aldriana suggested it would in another thread.

edit (again ;p): also switched TtT for ImpEvis and using Evis Glyph.