So I have looked into this with mixed results :

2x Webbed Death or 1 Webbed Death and 1 Sinister Revenge.

Basically I see 2x Webbed Death is considered 'better' with the new patch, if you have 25 man raid buffs optimally.

What I am curious about wouldn't Sinister Revenge be better in 5 man and to a lesser extent 10 man?

I have a hard time testing this, due to have an ever changing group setup in 10 mans. I use Vulajin spreadsheet, so a simple switching off buffs is not helpful as his shows SR ahead even 25 raid max buffed. Thoughts?

It depends on several factors. Having your Envenoms dodged, and dropping SnD as a result, really sucks. But the easiest way to know for sure is to check a spreadsheet and decide for yourself based on what you feel you need most. The difference might only be a couple DPS in the end (this is what the spreadsheet will tell you), but if it means you are more comfortable running tighter cycles, that might make it worth it.

Hi Folks, long time reader, first time poster (ok, that's lame).

Anyway, I had played a Hunter since game launch and decided that WoTLK would be a great time to make a main switch. I made my rogue my main, but am really struggling with DPS.

Right now I am Combat spec with the [Silent Crusader] as an MH with Berserking as an enchant, and the [Widow's Fury] as my OH with the +50 AP. My DPS is OK, but I just can't compete with our Mutilate rogue. I hover around 3.2k DPS in my gear (also following the WOTLK rotation for Combat). Really frustrating!

I know that Combat is pretty gimped compared to Mutilate, so I decided to give Mutilate a try.

My gear remains the same, but in my MH I put [Webbed Death] with the +50 AP and my OH was [Sinister Revenge] with Berserking.

My DPS was horrible! I was able to keep HfB up to 3 stacks all the time and was following the rotation as to the T per the WoTLK pocket guide. I couldn't barely break 2K DPS.

So, my questions are this:

1. I know my gemming is probably not right for Mutilate, so I think I need to get Expertise gems and gear (I'm looking for suggestions here).

2. Is spamming mutilate (or sinnister strike as combat spec) the right thing to do?? Or do most folks just wait until the action becomes available then just press it..

Sorry for the newb questions.. I'm really trying to give this class a chance as I'm really having fun, despite being frustrated. :S

Thanks!

Pool your energy so that you get 1 or 2 mutilate off after every evenom to make full use of the evenom buff which allows more instant poison application. As long as you don't let HfB / SnD drop theres no reason to rush the mutilates.

We can't tell you anything unless you give us something to look at. A WWS or WMO report would help immensely. If you were doing fine before and not fine now, it might be you aren't getting certain buffs.

I hope you are not standing in the green slime when doing Patcwerk? 1/10 of your stats left..

Hi everyone,

Im confused. My spreadsheet says I should off hand sinister revenge and main hand my LPC (I also have a twilight mist but no webbed deaths). Does that make sense? it shows a 100+ drop in dps if I MH the sinister revenge and off hand the LPC. In simple terms, does this boil down to fewer poison procs because of the slow sinister speed?

A couple things coming to mind:

1) Someone else mentioned this, but you aren't standing in the slime while attacking? That really only applies to Patchwerk -- if you are failing to do the damage you expect on other fights, I'm assuming that's not the issue.

2) Have you changed any glyphs for PvP that you haven't changed back to raid?

3) A 2s/5r/5e cycle might be too tight to maintain in practice. You can do 1s/5r easily enough, but if you want to Eviscerate consistently between Rupture and refreshing SnD, your cycle will have to look more like 3+s/5r/5e. Of course, cycles change based on the fight, and making decisions on the fly is part of being a rogue. Don't be afraid to deviate from that form if you need to adjust to something. Just remember the commandments... don't let SnD drop, maximize your time on target, etc.

EDIT: Looking at your gems, they are far from optimal for Combat; I can only assume you are gemming for Mutilate -- but even then they don't look right. Expertise is a lot more valuable to Mutilate than Combat builds... I don't know if you want to swap them for Agility gems instead -- I guess that depends on how often you spec Mutilate. But your yellow Hit (Rigid) gems should be orange Agi/Hit (Glinting) if you want them to be closer to optimal for both builds. You might want to redo your research, starting with the Pocket Guide to WOTLK.

Greetings everyone, I find myself in need of a UI modification that i'm not entirely sure exists. I'm hoping to find a mod that will display a timer for the internal cooldowns for my trinkets so I know when to pool energy for the procs on fights where I don't have the time to be mentally keeping track of the trinket procs myself. Does anyone know of something that would work for this purpose?

Try Procodile - Addons - Curse or Proculas - Addons - Curse

Note that I haven't used them, so I don't know how good they are or how well they will meet your needs.

Doubtful.