Aldriana's and Mavanas's spreadsheets are not static. They account for the reduced value of hit over it's various caps, and reflect that reduced value.

Grim Toll could be statless, and if you didn't have the Runestone, would be better than most trinkets on the strength of it's proc.

I have a simple question.

On Kologarn, should I be FoK spamming when both arms are up, then using bladeflurry and attempting to maintain a cycle when the right arm is down? I believe that this is the best way to maximize DPS on that fight.

No, you should focus all your DPS on the right arm as getting it down fast helps the raid more, especially the healers. Is it their job to be stressed more while raid members are being gripped (maybe a couple healers for instance) while you spam FoK to get a better DPS score?

If your raid doesn't care then yes, spamming an AoE worthlessly to get some unimportant DPS number would maximize your DPS. But it would be mainly ineffective, I think. Your entire goal should be removing the right arm as quickly as possible. This strategy doesn't facilitate that.

Hello,

I was watching Recount after my raid tonight, and i found out some columns with the following names :

Sinister Strike (Sword Spec)
Wound Poison VII (Sword Spec)
Rupture (Dot) (Sword Spec)
Deadly Poison (Sword spec)


I was assuming that the first one was summing the sword spec procs due to Sinister strikes, that WP and DP were the poison procs on sword spec extra hits. Is the Rupture summing the number of extra hits that occur when you apply the dot ?

Here is the screenshot : http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8144/recount.jpg


That's my personnal interpretation, correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks

All this chat of Kologarn got me thinking and I have been looking back over my guilds WWS of the fight.

Now I and I believe the other rogues in my guild usually use Blade flurry on the right arm whilst dpsing it, since DPS on the arm is important and I have always been thinking to myself that the damage will hit the body. However, looking back over my WWS every since blade flurry I can find hits the left arm rather than the body.

Has anyone else noticed this? I would prefer the damage to hit the Kologarn himself since we don't usually kill the left arm, so that damage is wasted. Would perhaps moving slightly change the second target blade flurry is hitting, although, given it is over every fight I have I presume that most sensible positions cause you to hit the left arm. Would perhaps it be worth staying on the body for a bit and hitting blade flurry, hoping they would hit the right arm, then switching to dps the arm proper when blade flurry is over? That seems a bit like slacking though.

Unlikely. Here's what you can do to see what happens. /tar Right Arm, now start autoattack and pay close attention, you'll see the target circle pulse right around Kologarn's body... in the same place it will if you /tar Kologarn or /tar Left Arm. All 3 target circles are in the same exact spot, so moving won't change what BF will hit. It's likely just random chance which target WoW decides to apply the secondary BF hits to.

If it was alphabetical you would expect Kologarn to come before Left Arm, but if the target order is consistent, it might be worth, as Paxer suggests, to use Blade Flurry on the body to hit the Right Arm, and then switch to the Right Arm when BF runs out.

Kologarn has an NPC id in wowhead of 32930, Right Arm 32934 and Left Arm 32933. It's possible that tab will increment/decrement the npc id number till it finds one in range, so the left arm has a number closer to the right arm, so it would be targetted next. Using that logic, targeting Kologarn to hit the right arm wouldn't work.

My guess would be draw order. Kologarn is drawn up first. Then the arms come up, so they'd be "on top" of Kologarn.

[Favor of the Dragon Queen] should be better for JCs because it has a socket that can be filled with a DE.

For others i wouldn't know , but i think FotDQ with a good gem would be still better.
On the other hand the difference would be relatively small, so i'd advice to get the neck from badges of conquest.

Well, the alphabetical thing was a joke (not a very good one I think, but whatever). All I do know is that when the right arm dies, the left is next on the list without fail.

Gathering up a bunch of "willing" players from the other faction would help determine order though. Players don't have an NPC ID, but other methods would be testable. I'm not sure it's important though; just a curiosity.

About Kologarn.

This is what our guild does in 25-man. We bring down the Right Arm without fault, switching to the body when the arm dies. When the body reached 15%, we all switch over to the Left Arm which always have less health that the body at that point because of incidental AoE damage.

So while one might think that Blade Flurry hitting the Left Arm is lost damage, it is not.

Currently (until 3.2, at least), jewelcrafters can use prismatic gems to match any socket. Thus, a blue socket could be filled with a +27 agility dragonseye.

I believe that the T7.5 BiS gear included precisely 3 blue sockets, which were filled (assuming jewelcrafting) with Agility or AP dragonseyes, depending on taste. Since the rest of the sockets could be filled with red or orange as desired, this resulted in all offensive stat itemization, nothing wasted on green or purple gems with stamina.

One of the rogues on our raiding roster refuses to waste a GCD and 15 energy every 30seconds throwing me a ToTT during nuke intensive fights (Steelbreaker on IC hardmode, Yogg's brain etc) as he says the 4-6k raid damage adds each time isn't worth it. I tried explaining to him that if we each use ToTT on every cooldown, it will equate to a 3% damage increase each. He says that unglyphed it's not worth the bother, and the dps increase is minimal.

Can anyone give me more than this to try and convince him? I'm still ToTTing him, but if he's not returning the favour I don't really want to anymore.

It's not a 3% damage increase, because each Rogue loses damage from the energy used to cast Tricks. For it to be worthwhile, you'd want to cast it when proc buffs are up and you have a full pooled energy bar. In reality, it's just a giant hassle to try and time it like that.

Even just using it on cooldown and ignoring any optimizations of that sort, you still come out ahead. Rogues aren't GCD limited, so that excuse is just bogus; and the 15 energy every 30 seconds costs you significantly less damage than the target gains. Even is you just blindly spam it on cooldown, you come out ahead. If you perform the sort of optimizations that Pinch refers to, you can do even better.

Most talk of Tricks here is about using it on another rogue, in my raids I use it on the highest (or next highest behind me) melee dps, which is very often not a rogue, depending on who's there and who's still alive. Is there any particular reason that Tricks should be used on another rogue that I'm missing out on here?

Click on the "Columns" button to display the tickboxes and mark all of the in the first row. You will see that your attacks never really missed, but were dodged or parried.

Hem...thank you

I feel noob right now :S

I believe its a matter of "returning the favour", as far as raid dps goes its certainly better to put it on the person doing the most dps, as long as threat isn't a problem of course.

Mainly the idea is you give tricks to another rogue, and they give tricks to you. No other reason to necessarily give it to another rogue.

Certain classes' buffs don't stack with the damage buff like warrior enrage or ret pally wings. A rogue is just convenient because you're usually doing the same things and wanting buffs at the same time. We also have a threat wipe which isn't as big of a deal but a plus. That said, it also varies by raid so if you have say, a feral DPS who rapes face, then you're probably better off having at least one rogue feeding him instead of trading.

The downside to this stuff is you get into silly politics about who deserves the buff and claims that people are tops only because they're getting tricks. It makes you want to just not tricks or just tricks the tank so people will stop bitching. =p

You want to tricks another Rogue so there is no major threat change in a single player. If you were to give it to a Feral Druid riding the tank's threat at 90%~, you'd probably cause him to pull aggro if you both hit pretty hard during the tricks period.