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Old 05/05/09, 12:34 PM   #2731
Xaoc
Piston Honda
 
Orc Rogue
 
Eitrigg
Unless you're attacking from the front, you'll never get a dodge/parry past 26 exp. Certain boss do have movement involved, so it is possible that you are seeing those dodges/parries when the boss is moving around and rotating its position relevant to you.

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Old 05/05/09, 12:37 PM   #2732
Syrek
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Forscherliga (EU)
Apologies if this general question has already been covered somewhere, the search button didn't help.

Do poison procs count as harmful spell casts?

Reason I'm asking is Elemental Focus Stone - Item - World of Warcraft.
Because it was changed to increase haste rating on proc, I came to this rather simple and general question.

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Old 05/05/09, 1:03 PM   #2733
paramourn
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Firetree
Quick question in reference to the to set bonuses. I have 2 valorous terroblade pieces and have broken my 4 piece 7.5 set bonus and put back in dislocating handguard and guise of the midgard serpent in replace. The general idea I've gathered and came to conclusion of is....single target bosses/trash the 7.5 gear with 10% to rupture and 5% decrease of combo moves is better for single target whereas for aoe bosses and aoe trash the tier 8 bonus pulls ahead, I swap out my my SR/WD to SR/SR with instant on the main deadly on off. My spreadsheets being flaky as we were on Ayiana (sp) last night and with the 8 bonus I spiked to 6.2k dps then on a single target I seemed to do worse with the 8 still in on council. My stats are basically the same with both tier sets so thats not really a factor. Tier 8.0 2 set bonus? or 7.5 set bonus? Thanks guys.

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Old 05/05/09, 1:21 PM   #2734
combatchuck72
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Dwarf Death Knight
 
Runetotem
Off hand for mut

currently i use SR mh and twilight mist OH cuase i have not been able to get a fast OH dagger for mut. would i gain more dps by using something like librarians paper cutter or titan steel shanker, then using twilight mist since it is so slow?

second question i have is do i need excel to read spread sheet i use open office but it doesnt seem to work right? im sure a spread sheet would answer my first question.

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Old 05/05/09, 1:55 PM   #2735
Leto
King Hippo
 
Leito
Troll Rogue
 
No WoW Account
Originally Posted by combatchuck72 View Post
currently i use SR mh and twilight mist OH cuase i have not been able to get a fast OH dagger for mut. would i gain more dps by using something like librarians paper cutter or titan steel shanker, then using twilight mist since it is so slow?

second question i have is do i need excel to read spread sheet i use open office but it doesnt seem to work right? im sure a spread sheet would answer my first question.
Aldriana's spreadsheets work fine with open office... for me at least.

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Old 05/05/09, 2:05 PM   #2736
combatchuck72
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Runetotem
hmm alright yes they do. thanks man..ok is there a guide to using it. the last spread sheet i used was at 70 and it was super simplified.

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Old 05/05/09, 4:10 PM   #2737
Mavanas
Great Tiger
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Lightning's Blade
I'd like to confirm something, so I have a question about deadly poison mechanics. Suppose you have accumulated 5 DP stacks and DP damage just ticked and then ran out (either you have not applied DP in 12 seconds or you just used an envenom). Which of the two following scenarios correctly describes DP mechanics of what happens when DP runs out:
1. As soon as you apply 1 stack of DP, it will tick for the damage equivalent to 1 stack and will restart the three second timer till next tick
2. DP will tick again (assuming there are DP stacks up) 3 seconds after the previous tick (which happened back when you had 5 stacks up). DP poison applications before the 3 second period expires will not start a new DP tick timer and will not cause a tick damage.

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Old 05/05/09, 4:26 PM   #2738
Tinwhisker
Bald Bull
 
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Dwarf Rogue
 
Scarlet Crusade
Restarting DP stacks restarts the tick timer; just like the big bang, any information about previous states is unobtainable. That is assuming of course the that stacks were fully cleared (equal stacks and CPs).


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Old 05/05/09, 7:48 PM   #2739
Refrakt
Glass Joe
 
Ninetale
Undead Rogue
 
Jubei'Thos
Auriaya Sentinel Blast

I would like to check how do undead rogue kick Auriaya Sentinel Blast. We do have will of the forsaken but it on 2 min cd. When the warrior miss the fear, maybe I can kick once. We got a warrior tank who can use berserker rage and pummel her blast. My guild leader like me to assist in kicking but I really got no ideas how.

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Old 05/05/09, 7:53 PM   #2740
saedo
King Hippo
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Gorgonnash
Originally Posted by Refrakt View Post
I would like to check how do undead rogue kick Auriaya Sentinel Blast. We do have will of the forsaken but it on 2 min cd. When the warrior miss the fear, maybe I can kick once. We got a warrior tank who can use berserker rage and pummel her blast. My guild leader like me to assist in kicking but I really got no ideas how.
If it's a problem here's a few things:
  • Tremor Totem - shaman better be dropping it in your group
  • Killing Spree - You can't be feared in it so pop it when she casts
  • PvP trinket, if you really need that much more help
  • Fear Wards, though I suppose they're placed on more important people

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Old 05/05/09, 8:23 PM   #2741
jorysaywut
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Mage
 
Windrunner
So up to this point, I've been using my Cold Blood for 5 point envenoms. I'm wondering if using it on a Mutilate after a Ruth proc would be better now because of t8 four set. More specifically, does guaranteeing more rupture uptime combined with a Mutilate crit surpass a 5 point envenom. I'm guessing it would depend on how many ticks of rupture it would add but is complicated by the high chance of success for Mut to crit anyways. I've just found myself in this situation semi-frequently where I'd get a non-crit Mut after a Ruth proc, and having to wait for another mut with rupture not ticking. It was a non-issue before but with rupture doubling in value, I'm curious whether anything's changed.

Overall, it's a minor issue but a question anyways.

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Old 05/05/09, 8:35 PM   #2742
Anarkid
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Human Rogue
 
Khadgar (EU)
Originally Posted by Danzir View Post
I am using RoguePowerBars an d many times Sunder isn't up yet with upteen dots/debuffs on the boss its hard to see if and when its on/off - Sunder that is. Is there an addon that shows when a Sunder is up? I've tried with RPB but I get addon errors when I add it to the debuff/other debuff sections. Any help on how to effecitvely track Sunders on a boss?
I use elkano buff bars to track sunders on a boss. Make a new group for target debuffs and white list sunder armor and expose armor. You now have a bar that will track both expose armor and sunder armor on a boss.

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Old 05/05/09, 8:47 PM   #2743
chalon
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Chalon
Night Elf Rogue
 
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Originally Posted by jorysaywut View Post
So up to this point, I've been using my Cold Blood for 5 point envenoms. I'm wondering if using it on a Mutilate after a Ruth proc would be better now because of t8 four set. More specifically, does guaranteeing more rupture uptime combined with a Mutilate crit surpass a 5 point envenom. I'm guessing it would depend on how many ticks of rupture it would add but is complicated by the high chance of success for Mut to crit anyways. I've just found myself in this situation semi-frequently where I'd get a non-crit Mut after a Ruth proc, and having to wait for another mut with rupture not ticking. It was a non-issue before but with rupture doubling in value, I'm curious whether anything's changed.

Overall, it's a minor issue but a question anyways.
I can't see how it would be worthwhile to use a Cold Blood on your Mutilate, when you have something like a 90%+ chance that your Mutilate will be 3 CP.

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Old 05/05/09, 9:50 PM   #2744
jorysaywut
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Mage
 
Windrunner
Yeah which is why I've been CBing my Envenoms. I was just curious if increased uptime on rupture closes the gap. I guess I've just been overemphasizing the times I've been unlucky.

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Old 05/05/09, 10:15 PM   #2745
chalon
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Chalon
Night Elf Rogue
 
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I'm not even sure you necessarily get increased Rupture uptime, either. I mean, it's really a case by case basis, but in most cases if you've been on the target for a while, you're probably pooling a few seconds for Rupture refreshes either way. But it's a bit hard to deterministically say either way. But I'd have to think that CBing the Envenom is always a better option.

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