• Neto-

Jewelcrafting is by far and away the best PvE profession for pretty much all classes at the moment. This is largely because it has the benefit of getting free socket bonuses "over-budgeted" to it. Jewelcrafting won't be as good when epic gems are in the game, but it's safe to assume that it will at least remain competitive. So yes, if you are any serious about raiding, you want Jewelcrafting.

 

Lord Xar

I gave up on the spreadsheet as about 4 pieces of my gear is not modeled in the new spreadsheet, but what I could change I did and I am sorta shocked to see that:

Shard of Contempt is about 5 dps higher than Darkmoon: Death

I bought that for 1200 gold. hahhaa, and now I am thinking.. "oh boy, did I muck up. It was an impulse buy".

Anyways, I know its hard to quantify "if" an epic 70 is better than an epic 80 since not all my gear was modeled. But is Darkmoon: Death a poop trinket or what?

 

saedo

Uh "poop" yea. Probably better for casters, it's their new Timbals. Greatness might not do as much for some of them unless they have an int or spr talent to go with.

 

Greggto

hello, right now my professions are enchanting/leatherworking. Which one should I drop for jewelcrafting? I see a lot of rogues with jewelcrafting/leatherworking. However, my enchanting lvl is 450 while my leatherworking skill is only 410

 

Kaminas

I would drop LW, enchanting have some nice ring enchants + it is more easy to get some shards from old gear

 

Echophantom

Erm, no. Leatherworking's the other best profession at the moment.

EDIT: My mistake, carry on.

 

• Aldriana

Erm, no. If anything is second right now, it's Blacksmithing. But BS, LW, Inscription, and Enchanting are all effectively equivalent - each gives 64 EP benefit.

 

yea its me

Ok I defintlely need to regem then. I read somewhere that +32 AP is better than 16 agi for red sockets, is this true? Also, what is the better gem for yellow sockets if I am poison hit-capped? Mold me!

Side note: Is armor penetration a useless gem because I just noticed i have one in my gear ><

 

Akeldema

Hello.
I Was wondering about the viability of Avoidance tanking for rogues in Wotlk. Will the diminishing returns on Dodge prevent us from reaching total avoidance?
If not dose anyone have some solid numbers on what we need to reach it.

 

• Feist-Mok

It will. Diminsihing returns on dodge were implemented among other things, specifically to discourage gimmick rogue tanking.

 

renegade442

One of the most commonly asked questions is "What is the best spec/talent tree build for a PvE Rogue.. I am curious to get some different opinions. I have tried the bugged HaT spec and Ive seen other rogues push 8k dps. I, myself couldnt get past 2k dps... Maybe I am not doing somthing properly? Currently I am Mut Dagger spec and im doing around 1500 dps Max... Any hints or tips on how to + my dps? And if so could someone link a talent tree that would be suitable for PvE. Thanks

 

stedfunk

Put your point in vigor into ruthlessness and change your 3 points from imp evis into puncturing wounds & you've got the cookie cutter mut spec, this should increase your dps a bit. What is your rotation like? Are you keeping SnD & HfB up? 4+ rupture/4+ envenom cycle? You should never mutilate with 4 combo points

 

yumepenguin

You'll also want to run some more level 80 dungeons/heroics and get more hit rating. You want about 132 for special hit cap with 5/5 precision. That should increase your damage significantly as your special attacks (mutilate and finishers) will never "miss".

 

Loot

+Alchemy too, also 64EP. I simply love alchemy, with the others you need to "spend" mats to get the benefit, with alchemy you "save" mats for the same. Roughly 100g every night saved with alchemy, beat that :p

 

Inkm

Whilst 100g saved a night might be a nice bonus, it's easily beaten, min-max wise anyway, by JC.

http://sig.gamerdna.com/quizzes/INFL...ks/newfarm.png

 

Leto

Also, on my server at least, you can sell dragon's eyes for ~350g a piece... so an extra 350g a day beats out 100g. There are plenty of ways to make gold, lose it, whatever, so we shouldn't base decisions along those lines... not here at least.

Rogue at heart.

 

• sedrikk

I believe he was talking about those that are equal to +64 EP. So it falls in line with LW, Inscription, BS, and Enchanting. And of those 4 it allows you to save money to get the +64 EP instead of spending gold. Jewelcrafting is far and away the best, the discussion is about second best.

 

Inkm

That's, at best, a situational monitary benefit considering the (very) vast income potentials in some of the other professions. Meaning, the 100g you save each night is easily 1000g lost from one of the other (like enchanting).

But that really doesn't belong in this discussion.

http://sig.gamerdna.com/quizzes/INFL...ks/newfarm.png

 

Skulldelight

Okay, so is there anyway to determine more reliable EP values, or are the rough EP values all you have to go by right now?

And what's the best way to determine the best weapon? The Pocket Guide to WOTLK says not to use the sample LootRank links to determine weapon, so is there a reliable way to do that?

Thanks for anyone who can clarify these issues for me.

 

Manaba

Determining the best weapons, and optimal gear/gems/enchants for that matter, has always been and will for the forseeable future be done with a spreadsheet such as the one found in post 1 of this thread: The Roguecraft Spreadsheet

 

koaschten

If you had read the Roguecraft Spreadsheet thread you certainly would have found the link to the AEP addon sheet sp00n created.

Roguesheet AEP Values

 

Ambits

Also another benefit speaking from experience myself by being a Enchanter/JC is there are these green rings you can make with 2 eternal earths and when you DE them they always give atleast 4+ infinite dust or 1-2 greater cosmic essences, so I just make craploads of these rings and de them for mats or to make money on the AH by selling mats. I'm making a crapload of money and getting my gear enchanted very easily doing this. You might notice that all pieces of my gear are enchanted and I was able to do it very cheaply due to this, also I love having the 54 AP gems or the 27 hit rating gems for those that are not hit capped yet.

 

anamericaninoz

So I've seen over various bunches of WWSs various poison applications. I know that deadly is a must, and that anesthetic (sp) is for certain gimmicked fights. Regarding 10/25man raids, what are the other various applications? Should one rogue always have WP/DP (with WP being on the faster weapon)? I'm mutilate, by the way. Where does IP rank against WP?

Thanks!

 

Almehym

If you have more than 3 ranks of improved poisons, IP will always be better than WP for realistic AP levels, if I remember the table right. I keep WP on me for soloing, but I don't use it for raids.


Edit: This is a c/p of the table from the Theorycrafting Think Tank thread in this subforum.

 

Ambits

Anyone ever noticed or know why when you look at your expertise it tells you the number is actually higher then it should be, ie if you look at mine it says 25 but yet I only have 124 expertise rating but yet 26 expertise should be like 214 expertise rating which is the total cap. This is confusing and I'm assuming I still need to hit the 132 expertise rating to cap since i'm 2/2 weapon expertise even if it makes my expertise show up as a higher number like 28+ or so. Any thoughts or has anyone else noticed this??