Rogue: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 313

ntshadow · 03/15/10, 9:22 PM

Actually I have used shiv in pve as a combat rogue on target switching or movement fights. Lord Marrowgar is an easy example when he does the whirlwind and moving out of flames I pop a shiv on him when he passes close to me to refresh my 5 stack of deadly poison and my trinket charges if they get low (which can be done with just about any attack but since I am shiving to guarantee a deadly application before it falls that fixes trinket stack as well).

Diaz · 03/16/10, 12:48 AM

Regarding shiv usage, I was under the impression that shiving once in order to keep a 5 stack deadly poison up is a valid strategy to increase dps. The scenario this pertains to is when you are forced to spend some time outside of melee (LK avoiding defile, Rotface bringing ooze to merge, Blood Queen removing beams etc) and as you come back in range the deadly poison is just about to run out.

The opportunity cost of such shiv is 1 sinister strike, while the gain is 5 extra instant poison applications as well as a few deadly poison ticks.
If I haven't missed anything major I'd say the pros outweigh the cons here.

Ex-bob · 03/16/10, 9:41 AM

Originally Posted by zeryudo

We tryed Professor Putricide today and wiped pretty hard
So I was wondering if the small Adds spawning resist crippling poison?
Slowing them with crippling poison would help my raid to get them down befor they reach their target, I guess.
Thanks in advance

This probably should have been posted in the ICC Tips and Tricks thread, but to answer your question, no crippling will not help slow the adds. It is the person in the Abomination's job to slow the adds.

Shot · 03/17/10, 5:26 AM

Regarding openers from stealth and in combat after a vanish for overkill as mutilate - is it generally a good idea to open with garotte for hfb activation but ignore 'opener' abilities at other times and just mutilate?

Umpaa · 03/18/10, 7:26 AM

Hi,

I just got a question regarding 2pc T10 + Cultist's Bloodsoaked Spaulders + Geistlord's Punishment Sack vs. 4pc T10 (for Mutilate of course).
It confuses me that Mavanas says in his spreadsheet to go on 4pc T10, while Aldrianas spreadsheet tells me that the same gear just with 2pc + Cultist's + Geistlord's gives me 25 DPS more than 4pc T10.

So what's the perfect solution?

Athika · 03/18/10, 11:48 AM

Hi.

I have a rogue alt (combat) with an average of iLvl 232 gear. I'm using Rawr to advise me on gear choices. I now have an issue evaluating the Onyxia Weapons (Raging Deathbringer/Empowered Deathbringer) because of 2 conflicting sources of info:

The pocket guide to WOTLK (Updated for 3.3) states: "Rough estimates show that the ilvl 245 weapons dropped from Onyxia (ie. Vis'kag, Deathbringer)"

However, when I input my char into Rawr (selecting common raid buffs), it puts the Deathbringer weapons all the way at the top (almost 1k DPS above iLvl 264 Frost Giant's Cleaver).

See this image:

What's happening here?

gustavocalonio · 03/18/10, 1:27 PM

Hey!

'm not really a good macro guy... So 'm trying to adapt the macro i saw in the beginning of this post to my need

Original:
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [help] [target=focus, help] [target=targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade

My change:
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [help] [modifier, target=focus, help] [target=targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade

Its a simple change and I still gotta test it... but what i want is...

If my target is friendly ([help]), cast on him
If I have a focus setup and 'm pressing a modifier, be it Shift or Ctrl, cast on him ([modifier, target=focus, help])
If none of the above, cast on my target's target if he is friendly ([target=targettarget, help])

Will that work?

Thank you very much

Tinwhisker · 03/18/10, 3:58 PM

If I understood what you want to do, that will work. I'll go ahead and put the modifier in there just in case someone needs to know how to do it. You can also shorten that up a bit as well by using "@" and taking out spaces.

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [help][modifier:alt,@focus,help][@targettarget,help] Tricks of the Trade

Docrev · 03/18/10, 4:05 PM

Most likely, Athika, the proc modeling is incorrect. Too high a proc frequency seems to be the most likely issue. I would recommend switching to using either Aldriana or Vef's spreadsheets instead of using Rawr.

telephony · 03/19/10, 1:44 PM

When you are mutilate/envenom spec and cannot garrote at the beginning of a fight, how do you get up HfB and SnD? Would you just mutilate then rupture/SnD with 2-3 CP?

Xcuse · 03/19/10, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by telephony

When you are mutilate/envenom spec and cannot garrote at the beginning of a fight, how do you get up HfB and SnD? Would you just mutilate then rupture/SnD with 2-3 CP?

Wait for your arms warrior to put up rend, any warrior to crit, a MM hunter to crit or a feral druid to put up Rake / Lacarate. If really none of those is available AND you can't open with a Garrote, yes, you'll have to use rupture. If I have to open with Mut (still having overkill buff up as I just got knocked out of stealth) I go Mut -> SnD -> [Ruthlessness Proc? Y: Rupture -> HfB; N: Mut -> Rupture -> HfB] -> [Ruthlessness Proc? Y: Envenom; N: Mut -> Envenom]

Just make sure SnD doesn't drop before you get to Envenom.

Radicool · 03/20/10, 1:44 PM

Originally Posted by Shot

Regarding openers from stealth and in combat after a vanish for overkill as mutilate - is it generally a good idea to open with garotte for hfb activation but ignore 'opener' abilities at other times and just mutilate?

Yes Mutilate from stealth when not starting HfB. Garrote is higher DPE but only if you ignore CP gen and the damage implications of it.

Vylent · 03/20/10, 3:36 PM

Just getting back into the game. .
What's a straightforward Weapon swap - Shiv macro? ie: applying anesthetic poison
What's a decent "start attack" macro to bind to Mutilate or Sinister Strike? or is this needed?

Siegler · 03/20/10, 6:57 PM

I just landed the Gutbuster off of Festergut, and I'm unsure whether it would be optimal to use it. I'm currently combat spec using the Nighttime as MH and Remorse as OH.

I also have 2xBlood Weepers, a Black Icicle, and Seven-Fingered Claws and I have Falric's Wrist-Chopper which is a fast tanking Axe.

I read some of the discussions on here about dual-wielding Maces are bad since finding a suitable OH Mace is difficult and you lose too much DPS if you have a slow OH for combat spec. I have tried to use the combat spreadsheet posted by Aldraiana, however I'm not sure if I'm using it correctly using an Mace. So my question is, should I stay with the setup I'm using now, or is there a way I can use my new Gutbuster with any of my weapons to increase my DPS?

Thanks

Crevan · 03/21/10, 7:56 AM

Originally Posted by Vylent

Just getting back into the game. .
What's a straightforward Weapon swap - Shiv macro? ie: applying anesthetic poison
What's a decent "start attack" macro to bind to Mutilate or Sinister Strike? or is this needed?

For a "start attack" macro, simply do

#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast <ability name>

You might also want to add such a macro to FoK.

As for weapon swapping, I can't remember the exact code, but here's what you can try. Using Blizzard's equipment manager, create two sets - one with only your normal weapons (exclude everything else) and one with only your anesthetic poison weapon (again, exclude everything else). Then the macro will be something like this:

/equipset [modifier:shift] <Anesthetic set name>; <normal set name>

This will equip your OH with anesthetic when used with Shift key, and normal set otherwise. You'll have to Shiv manually, since swapping weapons triggers a GCD (I think).

(I haven't used weapon swap macros in a long time, so if anyone sees something wrong with the above - please correct me).