Elitist Jerks Rogue: Simple Questions/Simple Answers

 11/09/10, 5:36 PM #5296 wtrhzrd Glass Joe   Tirandia Orc Rogue   Black Dragonflight What I've been using for Crit Cap (at least for now) is Critical Strike Chance Cap Calculator. Search for it on google, it works pretty well and will give you a decent idea if you're at the crit cap or not. Edit: It is an exe file, but I scanned it and have been using it without issue (in case you were curious about that).
 11/11/10, 3:07 AM #5297 Crossroots Glass Joe   Crossroots Tauren Druid   Stormscale (EU) Would it be correct to assume that something similar to the old rogue compilation thread is going to be put together after cataclysm is released and proper theorycrafting has been established? I recently decided to get back to WoW and my rogue and also realized that whatever I knew about rogue playstyle is somewhat old at this point.
 11/12/10, 1:54 AM #5298 Weebz Glass Joe     Weebzz Human Rogue   Kel'Thuzad I just wanted to make sure I'm calculating Sinister Strike damage correctly: (Attack Power / 14) * Normalized Weapon Speed + Weapon Damage + 180* = Damage Ex: AP: 5270 NWS: 2.4 Weapon DMG: 394-732 minimum = (376.4) * 2.4 + 394 + 180 = 1477.42 maximum = (376.4) * 2.4 + 732 + 180 = 1815.36 w/ 3/3 Improved Sinister Strike (30% increase) + w/ Aggression (15% increase) Would I multiply these numbers by 1.45 or (1.3)(1.15)? *This is taken from the untalented Sinister Strike tooltip while in Combat spec the tooltip reads +261 damage which is 180 * 1.45
11/12/10, 8:33 AM   #5299
ieatpaperbag
Piston Honda

Gnome Rogue

Eonar
 Originally Posted by Weebz I just wanted to make sure I'm calculating Sinister Strike damage correctly: (Attack Power / 14) * Normalized Weapon Speed + Weapon Damage + 180* = Damage Ex: AP: 5270 NWS: 2.4 Weapon DMG: 394-732 minimum = (376.4) * 2.4 + 394 + 180 = 1477.42 maximum = (376.4) * 2.4 + 732 + 180 = 1815.36 w/ 3/3 Improved Sinister Strike (30% increase) + w/ Aggression (15% increase) Would I multiply these numbers by 1.45 or (1.3)(1.15)? *This is taken from the untalented Sinister Strike tooltip while in Combat spec the tooltip reads +261 damage which is 180 * 1.45
Your calculation for sinister strike is correct and as your plus damage indicates, Improved Sinister Strike and Aggression are additive and are simplified to 1.45. A couple other reminders, if you are trying to calculate your sinister strike damage, don't forget to include damage reduction from your target’s armor and that the plus damage component changes based on what level you are (I believe it’s 200 for an untalented level 85). Also, if you are trying to get an average, you can put in (weapon_base_dps * weapon_base_speed) in place of the damage range you have for “Weapon Damage”.

Last edited by ieatpaperbag : 11/12/10 at 11:34 AM.

 11/15/10, 8:06 AM #5300 Cissalie Glass Joe   Katerina Blood Elf Rogue   Saurfang Can anyone tell me the exact name (for needtoknow addon) of the DoT applied by the Hemo glyph? I thought it was just "Hemorrhage" but that only tracks the 1 minute debuff hemo puts onto a target.
 11/15/10, 8:32 AM #5301 Gaviin Von Kaiser   Gavilen Night Elf Druid   Thunderhorn Unless I'm mistaken, you'll need to track that debuff by spell ID, since it is indeed called Hemorrhage as well. When that happens, NeedToKnow just tracks the first debuff by that name, which will always been the increased bleed damage debuff. The spell ID of the bleed is 89775 (Hemorrhage - Spell - World of Warcraft).
 11/15/10, 10:03 PM #5302 Sulphuric Von Kaiser     Salyn Human Rogue   Frostmane (EU) Have anyone figured what's the best ring combination atm? Just a quick EP calculation shows Frostbrood Sapphire Ring comes a few EP ahead of Band of the Bone Colossus for combat. So FBSR > BBC Now, I guess Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance dropped dramaticly in value after the AP value drop compared to the other stats, so would that be placed last now? As in: 1: Signet of Twilight 2: Frostbrood Sapphire Ring 3: Band of the Bone Colossus 4: Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance And alternatively Seal of Many Mouths between 3 & 4. But that ring wouldn't be very desireable anyway due to going past the exp cap while wearing 4/5 + shoulders as offpiece Last edited by Sulphuric : 11/16/10 at 9:01 AM.
11/15/10, 11:41 PM   #5303
Eustache
Glass Joe

Human Rogue

Wrathbringer (EU)
Well. actually it's not THAT simple.

Assuming standard gemming (Deft Ametrine in Yellow, Delicate Cardinal Ruby in Red) and Heroic versions, the DPS-relevant stats and their EP values, as well as their total EP value (according to Aldriana's EP values in the 4.01 FAQ) would be:

Frostbrood Sapphier Ring

Statistics Assass. EP Combat EP
122 Agility341.6351.36
64 Crit99.2103.68
68 Haste149.6153
Total EP590.4608.04

Band of the Bone Colossus

Statistics Assass. EP Combat EP
116 Agility324.8334.08
62 Hit111.6104.78
75 Haste165168.75
Total EP601.4607.61

Signet of Twilight

Statistics Assass. EP Combat EP
123 Agility344.4354.24
57 Hit102.696.33
10 Haste2222.5
73 Crit113.15118.26
Total EP582.15591.33

The Ashen Verdict ring is worse than those, lacking some stats. I calculated it some time ago with Aldriana's estimation of the procc's EP, but can't find the estimation anymore. I remember the total EP was ~580 or so, but with less potential for reforging than Ring of Twilight.

Assuming you reforge best-case, i.e. the lowest EP stat to the highest possible (ignoring expertise and hit caps, really only looking at Aldriana's EP table):

ItemAssass. EP Combat EP
Frostbrood Sapphire Ring598.3609.86
Band of the Bone Colossus603.9607.61
Signet of Twilight601.65610.23

Conclusion is that the Band and Signet are BiS for Mutilate, while the Ring and the Signet are such for Combat, however, the differences are quite small.

 11/16/10, 12:15 AM #5304 Yeritaki Glass Joe   Yeritaki Blood Elf Rogue   Mal'Ganis I have a question that I have not found the answer for. Would it ever be a bad idea for mut rogues to equip a 1.8 dagger on the OH if your 1.4 OH is considerably worse? I understand that with a slower OH you're sacrificing less deadly stacks and hurting poisons procs, but just wanted to make sure. Last edited by Yeritaki : 11/16/10 at 12:30 AM.
 11/16/10, 6:43 AM #5305 Tomate Von Kaiser   Tomaten Worgen Rogue   Cho'gall (EU) I do not think your 1.4OH sucks enough to do that. IE: I think It should worth replace [Librarian's Paper Cutter] with only 264+ 1.8 dagger.
 11/16/10, 1:46 PM #5306 Sulphuric Von Kaiser     Salyn Human Rogue   Frostmane (EU) Great, thanks. Also, have anyone found a good addon to track >35% hp on the target?
 11/16/10, 1:49 PM #5307 Gippal Glass Joe   Gippal Worgen Rogue   Sentinels Power Auras
 11/16/10, 2:05 PM #5308 Slayer101 Von Kaiser   Clep Troll Rogue   Whisperwind Anyone know if any of the discussed buffs (Combat or Muti) have been implemented in today's 4.03 patch? Thanks
11/16/10, 2:13 PM   #5309
Feist-Mok
Im***est.

Human Rogue

Ysera
 Originally Posted by Slayer101 Anyone know if any of the discussed buffs (Combat or Muti) have been implemented in today's 4.03 patch? Thanks
No class changes were implemented in 4.0.3.

 Originally Posted by missiletoad You're still up for First Degree Slaughter of English Spelling, so sit the fuck down, defendant.

11/16/10, 4:46 PM   #5310
CoroHD
Von Kaiser

Gnome Rogue

Illidan
 Originally Posted by Tomate I do not think your 1.4OH sucks enough to do that. IE: I think It should worth replace [Librarian's Paper Cutter] with only 264+ 1.8 dagger.
After the cata pre-patch I switched from Combat to Assassination using 2x H Rib Spreader. I knew the slow speed of the Spreader was detrimental to my DPS, but I figured that since they got rid of Focused Attacks that the slow speed wouldn't be as big of a deal as it might have been in the past.

This past week I got lucky and an H Lungbreaker dropped. I gained around 800-1k instant poison DPS on Festergut relative to the weeks prior, as well as 100-200 deadly DPS, with little to no mutilate/melee dps loss.

In short, even if you have a 251 slow OH as assassination even after the 4.0.1 pre-patch, the LPC is probably close to an upgrade. The lack of any agility hurts it a lot going past that iLvl I would think.

 Elitist Jerks Rogue: Simple Questions/Simple Answers