Also Feist-Mok (or anyone else that is 80), since you're 80, have you raided at all? If yes, how does your damage compare to combat sword rogues?

What is the top dps spec now? Shadowpanther has a 7/51/13 spec but I was thinking of something including lethality.

Bosses still have a ~6.5% chance to dodge attacks, so the cap itself is unchanged. However, the amount of expertise rating needed to get 1 expertise has changed.

32.78998947 * 25 ~= 820 expertise rating for a rogue with 0/2 Weapon Expertise
32.78998947 * 20 ~= 656 for 1/2 Weapon Expertise
32.78998947 * 15 ~= 492 for 2/2 Weapon Expertise

Is Mongoose suffering the same dimnished effects post 70 that Crusader did post 60?

Rogues have always had a 29% passive threat reduction. Apparently that is the actual ability that grants the reduction.

Ah! Thank you Vulajin!
I had no idea it was that much. Thought it was more like 10%. That's actually kind of alarming. If I'm getting a 29% threat reduction, I'm going to have a very serious gear discussion with some of my tanks. I can snatch aggro from all but my Prot warrior in about a heartbeat, and I have to use Feint a bit more then I care for lately early in fights. That's opening with a Garrote and using Rupture as the finisher. No burst finshers, it's gotten way to easy to get killed that way these days.
Man, do is miss Sanctuary!

If those numbers for expertise rating goals seem inflated to you, you'd be correct. The ~32.79 corresponds to 1% dodge/parry reduction, not to a single point of expertise (which would be ~8.2). The correct values should be:

32.79 * 6.50 ~= 214 (0/2 WE)
32.79 * 5.25 ~= 173 (1/2 WE)
32.79 * 4.00 ~= 132 (2/2 WE)

For Humans wielding swords (maces left out intentionally ):

32.79 * 5.75 ~= 189 (0/2 WE)
32.79 * 4.50 ~= 148 (1/2 WE)
32.79 * 3.25 ~= 107 (2/2 WE)

That did seem way inflated to me, yeah. That'll teach me to try and do simple math while I'm tired. Thanks for the correction

I've raided Naxx 25 man twice now, also Sartharion and Malygos 25 man. Combat and mut seem to do pretty similar damage, one to me doesn't seem like a clear winner, however I am very disappointed with the way rogues are currently, going from the 1 or 2 spot to 7th or 8th is a little ridiculous and I am seriously hoping for an overhaul providing us with more DPS somehow. Hunters/Warriors/Locks/Enhance shamans just kill the meters at the moment in my guild.

Greetings,

as someone in here alreadly mentioned what about the spec 7/51/13 Shadowpanther is refering to.
It lacks Lethality and Vigor but has Blood Spatter and Serrated Blades.
But if i look at the EP Charts i am wondering if this Spec would really outperform every other combat spec cause Armor Penetration isn`t valued very high.
Can someone talk a little bit more about that spec which is said to be the top dps one for combat.

Another thing i would like to ask is the stuff with poisons. Someone already told me that as long as u didn`t get points in improved poisons Wound Poison is always the better choice. If u do take points in Improved Poisons it depends on your Attackpower when Instant Poison outperforms Wound Poison.

So far so good. But now what should we take on the offhand? Would it be better to go for dual Wound Poison on both weapons or is it better to still take Deadly Poison for the offhand? There might be a difference if we are talking about raids or 5mans cause i guess Deadly Poison needs it time to stack and do its DoT damage.

The last question if u don`t mind is simply Envenmom vs. Evicerate for combat specs. I get some decent numbers out of Evicerate even without speccing Improved Eviscerate where as Envenom can`t compete with it but maybe it scales better in a raid environment i am just curious. Of course if your advice is go dual Wound Poison then it alwys has to be Eviscerate. What do you suggest. Is it even worth to put 3 Points in improved Evi?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Sorry to correct, but this should state 'on the weapon hitting the target the most'. Based on multiple factors, this can also be your 2.6 main hand.