Rogue: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 59

henslaved · 12/28/08, 7:26 AM

The Rogue spreadsheet doesn't give specific EP weights for my particular gear (that I'm aware of) yet I constantly read that these numbers fluctuate dramatically with gear.

Where or how can I determine my personal EP weights? I currently just use the ones in the Pocket Guide.

Jugias · 12/28/08, 7:32 AM

Is this: Savage Gladiator's Leather Helm better then: Headguard of Retaliation even with the loss of ap, just for the meta?

If so, is there a big difference?

Marieth · 12/28/08, 10:22 AM

Hit cap question
Just wondering if I should be trying to get white hit cap via enchants, gems, food and Elixir or if I should be keeping special and poison capped and going for Power, crit, haste a little info would help plz.

You do not want to reach the white hit cap, besides it is over 700 (very unlikly to achieve with current gear), other stats provide a much bigger DPS boost.
But all of that has been covered already countless times in this thread alone, as well as in the pocket guide.

Is this: Savage Gladiator's Leather Helm better then: Headguard of Retaliation even with the loss of ap, just for the meta?

If so, is there a big difference?

Use the spreadshet.

Thank god all these things are now mentioned for the first time. So people who actually read the threads wont ask this questiones EVER again. /sarcasm

Middenmill · 12/28/08, 9:25 PM

Actually. I was wondering if there could be an FAQ kind of thread, which everyone should read first, and that would cover all the frequently asked questions or at least direct people to the relevant threads where it is being answered.

One of the things I really love about EJ is how the information is very cleanly organised. Previously, in the Rogue PvE DPS Theorycrafting Thread, and now in the Pocket Guide to WOTLK.

Maybe I'll try to pull together a quick FAQ and run it through the powers that be to see if it is worth putting up.

Now, at the risk of asking a question that has already been answered:
Is there a PvP/ Arena equivalent of EJ for rogues out there? I know EJ has PvP forums, but the information in there just isn't as well organised as the info on Rogue PvE.

henslaved · 12/28/08, 9:31 PM

Originally Posted by Middenmill

Actually. I was wondering if there could be an FAQ kind of thread, which everyone should read first, and that would cover all the frequently asked questions or at least direct people to the relevant threads where it is being answered.

One of the things I really love about EJ is how the information is very cleanly organised. Previously, in the Rogue PvE DPS Theorycrafting Thread, and now in the Pocket Guide to WOTLK.

Maybe I'll try to pull together a quick FAQ and run it through the powers that be to see if it is worth putting up.

Now, at the risk of asking a question that has already been answered:
Is there a PvP/ Areana equivalent of EJ for rogues out there? I know EJ has PvP forums, but the information in there just isn't as well organised as the info on Rogue PvE.

Arenajunkies could be seen as the Arena counterpart to EJ, but the community is much more volatile while being simultaneously half as helpful.

Leto · 12/28/08, 9:38 PM

Originally Posted by Middenmill

Actually. I was wondering if there could be an FAQ kind of thread, which everyone should read first, and that would cover all the frequently asked questions or at least direct people to the relevant threads where it is being answered.

One of the things I really love about EJ is how the information is very cleanly organised. Previously, in the Rogue PvE DPS Theorycrafting Thread, and now in the Pocket Guide to WOTLK.

Maybe I'll try to pull together a quick FAQ and run it through the powers that be to see if it is worth putting up.

Now, at the risk of asking a question that has already been answered:
Is there a PvP/ Arena equivalent of EJ for rogues out there? I know EJ has PvP forums, but the information in there just isn't as well organised as the info on Rogue PvE.

Doesn't the pocket guide fit this bill?

As for pvp, I'm not as well versed in the community, but possibly arenajunkies.com?

Soulburn · 12/29/08, 7:24 AM

Combat Fist Spec Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft with [Crimson Steel]
Cycle: SS - SnD - Rupture (5CP) - SS - .. Envenom if possible.

Combat Dagger Spec Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft with [Sinister Revenge]
Cycle: BS - SnD - Rupture (5CP) - BS - .. Envenom if possible.

"Simple" question (problem) is;

I'm having trouble with Combat Dagger spec. Trying to figure out, why my dps decreased after switching to a better (actually the best dagger in game) weapon.

Thanks in advance.

robfang · 12/29/08, 8:11 AM

Because the combat dagger spec is broken atm. It is not good for anything. Try mutilate instead if you wish to use daggers.

Perini · 12/29/08, 2:39 PM

Well, now that I have your attention, I will ask an even simpler question:

Am I correct in assuming that the only time to use Eviscerate within a Mutilate rotation is when you have zero applications of Deadly Poison on target?

Neto- · 12/29/08, 2:46 PM

Yes. Last time I checked, with raiding gear, even an Envenom at 1 DP stack (4+ CP) was better than an Eviscerate. However, there are situations where Eviscerate might be the best choice - interrupted fights, for example, if you Envenom you won't have time to benefit from the poison application buff, and thus it would be a better choice to Eviscerate and let DP tick away.

Perini · 12/29/08, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by Neto-

Yes. Last time I checked, with raiding gear, even an Envenom at 1 DP stack (4+ CP) was better than an Eviscerate. However, there are situations where Eviscerate might be the best choice - interrupted fights, for example, if you Envenom you won't have time to benefit from the poison application buff, and thus it would be a better choice to Eviscerate and let DP tick away.

Thanks, Neto.

Is there a consensus on a 3rd glyph? I was looking at Garrote and Ambush.

Lord Xar · 12/29/08, 3:21 PM

Hey. I have an observation - unfortunetly no hard data handy, just observation.

I switched from a rupture combat fist build to a eviscerate combat fist build and noticed a significant boost in my dps. 15/51/5

the standard rotation would be 4-5SnD / 5r /3-5evis (depending on energy regen, movement etc..)

I noticed large crits and crit frequency with eviscerate (have evis glyph, in additon to rupture glyph) and decided to test something out.

Well, I noticed at least a +200/dps increase in heroic runs and about a +400 dps increase in raid runs when I switched to just your standard 5snd/5evis rotation.

Has anyone else noticed this dps increase contrary to the standard rupture rotation?

Tinwhisker · 12/29/08, 3:24 PM

Originally Posted by Perini

Is there a consensus on a 3rd glyph? I was looking at Garrote and Ambush.

When 3.0.8 hits live, I imagine most Mutilate Rogues will grab Feint as their 3rd glyph but until then I'd just use what makes you happy as neither of those will significantly affect your DPS over the course of an encounter.

Edit: There's also been some talk about other Mutilate specs using double IP and Eviscerate as a finisher; it's fairly untested in 'real world' and not something I'll be swapping to anytime soon but it's out there and the math is fairly solid. In that case you'd want the Eviscerate glyph obviously.

Perini · 12/29/08, 3:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Xar

Hey. I have an observation - unfortunetly no hard data handy, just observation.

I switched from a rupture combat fist build to a eviscerate combat fist build and noticed a significant boost in my dps. 15/51/5

the standard rotation would be 4-5SnD / 5r /3-5evis (depending on energy regen, movement etc..)

I noticed large crits and crit frequency with eviscerate (have evis glyph, in additon to rupture glyph) and decided to test something out.

Well, I noticed at least a +200/dps increase in heroic runs and about a +400 dps increase in raid runs when I switched to just your standard 5snd/5evis rotation.

Has anyone else noticed this dps increase contrary to the standard rupture rotation?

I can't imagine that being likely on (raid) boss fights. I use Evis on raid trash and Heroics frequently because with well-geared groups, even bosses go down before Rupture is likely to run its course.

Perini · 12/29/08, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by Tinwhisker

When 3.0.8 hits live, I imagine most Mutilate Rogues will grab Feint as their 3rd glyph but until then I'd just use what makes you happy as neither of those will significantly affect your DPS over the course of an encounter.

Edit: There's also been some talk about other Mutilate specs using double IP and Eviscerate as a finisher; it's fairly untested in 'real world' and not something I'll be swapping to anytime soon but it's out there and the math is fairly solid. In that case you'd want the Eviscerate glyph obviously.

I imagine that could be tested on dummies pretty easily just for prelim. data.