Looks like you have an extra JC gem in there.

Fixed. It was just from swapping between T7.25 chest and Maly25 chest. Only 1 gem slot in the Maly chest so it didn't effect the DPS.

Agreed. 1 DPS theoretical loss is a small price to pay for doing a little to eliminate random Deadly Poison proc cold streaks, and the difference between having my Deadly Poison weapon MH instead of OH is surprisingly noticeable.

Just wanted to note this may just be a typo but make sure to upgrade your Inscription of the Axe to Greater Inscription of the Axe, if you did and forgot to type no biggy if you did not there will be a small Inc. over what you already see. Thank you :P

Also I do not think you changed a few things on your sheet that should indicate buffs you receive in a raid effecting your dps. You need to turn on the following buffs to imitate what you would see in combat
1(section 24/C Savage Combat) 2(section 48/C Heroic Presence) 3(section 60/C Flask of Endless Rage) 4(sections 66-72/C*choose one* your choice of food)

After appropriating what you should see in a 25 man raid I took two different timing scans one being set to the original 300 second fight time which equals 5172.69 and then a separate tieing presuming 3 minute patchwork (180 seconds) being 5268.61

One thing to keep in mind is that if you Turn Tricks of the Trade on for (on use) *section 21/I* that the dps loss by you wont pick up the raid dps gain you would get from sharing trick with the other rogue in your raid, and I think it should be left on when calculating your dps. Which in the end puts my personal dps to 5103.97 for 300 second fight and 5199.82 for 180 second fights.

The things i changed are as follows...

Valorous Bonesythe Helmet
Arcanum of Torment
Relentless Earthsiege Diamond
Delicate Dragons Eye(Jc Only)(Only changing the one seems to bring around a very very small increase ov about .70 dps)

Valorous Bonesythe Pauldrons
Greater Inscription of the Axe (changed from normal)
Bright Scarlet Ruby

Sinners Bindings
Fur Lining - Attack Power (LW Only)

Related to this point above that I made a couple days ago... the change to Lightning Reflexes in 3.1 will make Webbed Death the OH to have alongside Calamity's Grasp, as you can't afford those talent points with a sword in your offhand. (In fact, I decided that the few raid buffed DPS I lose using Webbed Death even now are an acceptable price to pay for 2/2 Endurance and Unfair Advantage. Optimal? Not exactly, but I'm fine with that.)

Actually, question related to Webbed Death (and all daggers): Does the 150% weapon damage of Fan of Knives apply to the off hand, or only the main hand? Will my Fan of Knives do more damage with CG/WD than with CG/Hailstorm?

The FoK damage bonus of 150% is applied to both, mainhand and offhand daggers. So Webbed Death will do more FoK damage than Hailstorm.

Yes, from what I see Sinisters Revenge is the best FoK weapon followed closely by CG.

The worst weapons are Hailstorm and other fast mace/sword used in offhand. 1.8 speed daggers that are 213 ilvl are basically the second best for FoK, while WD drops below all ilvl 213 daggers and any mace/sword higher than 2.1 second weapons.

Be careful when claiming "best". Best for actual damage numbers put out by FOK, yes. But, in practice I maco FOK to /startattack, ensuring during AOE pulls I am also generating white damage/poison procs/focused attack procs. Using 2x WD, would the energy regen from white DPS crits and added poison procs from a fast dagger such as WD outweigh additional damage range on a 1.8 speed dagger?

Of course many AOE pulls are just so quick this may not be the case, but after 3-5 FOK shots at the start of a pull, the AOE burst really does die down with Mutilate. My theory has been that 2x WD being used for auto-attack/white dps would generate more energy for more FOK as the pull continues past the initial burst.

When I said buff I took for granted people would realize i was talking about FoK damage only.

With that said, the number of mobs in the FoK spam effects total damage values.

For simplicity sake lets compare Webbed Death to Anarchy for the same damage and ilvl.

Webbed Death 153-285 x 150% = 229.5 - 427.5 give it an average hit of 328.5
Anarchy 225-338 x 150% = 337.5 - 507 give it an average hit of 442.25

With it hitting with both hands the average difference on 1 target is 227.5 damage. So now what is the extra poison damage, white damage, and focused attacks worth in comparison to 227.5 damage per target? You have to remember that 227.5 damage is not dps, since a FoK is not being used once per second, so we have to try and break that down into dps. Most likely your getting on average a FoK off every 2.5 seconds so your looking at 91 dps per target.

Now if your using FoK with less than 3 targets your doing something wrong. With that in mind the minimum dps gain for using 1.8 daggers is once again 273 dps, and for every additional mob you have to add another 91 dps.

The question is, is the extra white damage, very few extra poison procs, and focused attacks worth 273+ dps? Probubly not but I cannot say for sure. What is guarenteed is that for every additional mob in FoK range WD's become valuable than 1.8 speed daggers.

PS. I still use Dual WD during trash, only because I have berserker on 4 weapons already and I do not want to put it on 2 more weapons, and because I dont want to spend DKP on aditional weapons for trash. When a Sinisters Revenge finally drops in my raid, I will pick them/it up for pvp and put Berserker on it. I will then switch weapons for FoK

During those those 10 seconds your 1.4 speeds would hit about 2 * (10 sec/1.4) ~ 14 times, while two 1.8 speeds would hit about 10 times. So four more attacks netting at best 4 energy and maybe one poison proc.

WD average damage = 219
TM = 282
SR = 308

FoK bonus, AP and 40% crit:

WD - 219 * 1.5 + (5000*1.4/14) * 1.4 = 1159,9
TM - 282 * 1.5 + (5000*1.8/14) * 1.4 = 1492,26
SR - 308 * 1.5 + (5000*1.8/14) * 1.4 = 1546,86

At a 300 to 400 dmg difference per hand I'd say it's worth to equipslot macro slower daggers even if it's just one mob you are hitting assuming my napkin math isn't totally wrong.

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Even though daggers are normalized at 1.7 that shouldn't make WD any more effective with FoK. Even though my math is very simplistic, weapon normalization should not effect the end result. Also i missed the offhand penalty in my math but it effects a percentage and not a hard number so it doesn't change the end result.

Either that or I am overlooking something very simple.

Anyways, for Sinister Revenge versus Calamity's Grasp, it's fairly simple; assuming the 5000 AP you used earlier.

Calamity' Grasp: [(445.38 + 5000/14*2.4)] = 1373.9514
Sinister Revenge: [(307.98 + 5000/14*1.7)*1.5] = 1426.2557
Webbed Death: [(218.96 + 5000/14*1.7)*1.5] = 1078.44

So, Sinister Revenge is the best Fan of Knives weapon available, but Calamity's Grasp is pretty close, whereas WD falls short of both. Considering that during FoK spam you won't have Slice and Dice up at all, the extra DPS from having more poison procs with WD on a single target is largely insignificant in comparison to the substantial damage gained by using Sinister Revenge or Calamity's Grasp.

Edit: Fixed. I was completely wrong about normalization, thanks for the correction, and apologies for the confusion.

Fan of Knives is *NOT* normalized.

You're also talking about a 13 ilvl gap though.As noted above, the damage gap between Webbed Death and Anarchy is MUCH smaller, and doesn't warrant giving up a superior enchant/stat allocation anywhere near as easily.

I was under the understanding that FoK was not normalized as well. I had read that on one of the blue posts a few months back (but cannot find the post now that I look). When Neto said it was normalized, I figured they may have changed it and I started trying to do the math. Either way the results come out the same.

I have two questions: What is the dps margin between WD/WD and WD/SR? Secondly, how would you equip SR/Murder?

It think it would depend on the rest of your gear. If you want a more precise answer, use a spreadsheet.

Secondly, Murder in the MH, Sinister Revenge in the OH.

Finally, let me answer the next question you wouldn't need to ask if you had read even the first post in the Pocket Guide to WOTLK: Instant Poison on the MH, Deadly Poison on the OH.

Don't get so hostile with me. I know you equip fast/slow if you don't have WD/WD. Secondly, Vulajin's spreadsheet is not accurate with Mutilate when you compare it with Aldriana's spreadsheet. That's why I was asking Leto if he discovered SR MH and Murder OH was roughly the same dps as opposed to Murder MH and SR OH. If you read what he said, he discovered with Aldriana's spreadsheet, that SR/WD and WD/SR was the same. I was curious if this was true with Murder and SR.

Perhaps you could, you know, check it yourself?

So, it seems that I'm one of the few rogues who stay in love with swords :p

Fortunately, I got [Silent Crusader] and [Hailstorm]. So these are the best swords currently available, I only skilled sword spec.
To get an optimal item setup I checked the spreadsheet several times, and came to this item combo:

Head: [Valorous Bonescythe Helmet] with [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] & [Balanced Twilight Opal]
Neck: [Fool's Trial]
Cloak: [Drape of the Deadly Foe]
Shoulder: [Valorous Bonescythe Pauldrons] with [Delicate Scarlet Ruby]
Chest: [Chestguard of the Recluse] with [Delicate Scarlet Ruby]
Bracers: [Sinner's Bindings] with [Delicate Scarlet Ruby]
Gloves: [Valorous Bonescythe Gauntlets] with [Design: Deadly Monarch Topaz]
Belt: [Stalk-Skin Belt] with [Bright Scarlet Ruby]
Legs: [Valorous Bonescythe Legplates] with [Item not found!] & [Design: Deadly Monarch Topaz]
Boots: [Dawnwalkers]
Rings: [Surge Needle Ring] & [Strong-Handed Ring]
Trinkets: [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] & [Fury of the Five Flights]

Ranged: [Envoy of Mortality]

What do you think about it?

I am just wondering that Fool's Trial came out ahead of [Favor of the Dragon Queen] .