Trinket stats have been updated

They may have been updated but they don't make sense.

1234 is + 26.88%, +26.88% what?

That just means Ratings Buster is broken on the PTR, it shouldn't be parsing AP bonuses. It probably sees the "crit" in the tooltip and assumes the number is a crit bonus.

While it's true that there's no blue sockets on the set itself, several of the new non-set items have blue sockets with very appealing socket bonuses.

What I find slightly disturbing is that our sets don't have as much stamina as some other classes.
Which is great from a PvE viewpoint, and I can understand why Blizzard would go that way.
I just can't understand why they wouldn't do the same for other classes dps sets (I'm looking at you Darkruned).

Also I think it's interesting that the 10 man sets are called Valorous.
This could imply that they might be related to Valorous Badges.

Hope you didn't turn them all into gold.

Something that makes more sense, is that whoever took the screenshot, had Ratings Buster configured to show AP increase as a % value. 1234 AP is a 26% increase over 4746 AP, a number easily obtained by melee DPS.

Two of the 10 man set pieces will be purchasable with Valorous badges, yes. I forgot which ones though.

Looks like they finally released a sword with a 1.4 speed, I'd imagine this will be a sought after item for combat.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...h/03_21_18.jpg

The problem is unless there are 2.6/2.7 speed main hands you won't be using that 1.4s off-hand, since Fist/Sword isn't viable in 3.1.

Malice is pretty nice?

Yeah it's a nice sword and all, but 2.5 speed is bad. It's simply stupid itemization to have items like that when you have a 2.7 fist dropping as well, not even mentioning the fact that they still have 1.6 offhands still on the table. PPM poisons don't solve every weapon speed issue when you have combat potency, which will always favor a faster weapon of equal dps, and sinister strike, which will always favor a slower weapon of equal dps. To me it doesn't make much sense to put 2.5 and 1.6 weapons in when they are also putting 2.6-7 and 1.4-5 speed weapons in. What's the point? We are going to skip those suboptimal weapons in favor of the correctly itemized weapons.

Typically MH weapon speed has been somewhat forgiving - for instance, a 2.5 speed weapon can beat a 2.6 speed weapon in the MH, particulary if it has higher DPS. But yes, in the OH, speed really is just awfully important, which renders weapons slower than the fastest available speed somewhat less useful - as we saw in TBC, with Latro's outlasting all PvE OHs (and not being that much worse than PvP OHs) up until Blade of Savagery - the next sword of comparable speed.

The poison changes will make MH weapon speed somewhat more significant, but even so, I rather suspect that we'll be playing more attention to damage than speed when looking at weapons that are 2.5-2.7 speed.

I was looking at mmo-champion today, and the loot discovered last night on PTR was quite interesting. Can't remember seeing a 1.4 speed sword before, but that does indeed look cool. http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...h/03_21_18.jpg .

I would assume, with more OH hots, we'd also see more procs of sword specialization, so will this bump sword såecc back up on top? Ofc, there might still be 1.4 speed maces/daggers/fists to discover. But at least it is interesting that they seem to continue the trend of 1.4 speed weapons.

Any thoughts?

Edit: And I obviously forgot to refresh my browser before I posted. Sorry about that. But the "signal" it sends about itemization is still interesting.

Ulty

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quick question.. i havent tested it yet but i tested to see if u can use a MH sword and OH dagger with 5 outa 5 CQC and 4 sword and the CQC doesnt work. but the best spec is teh calamity grasp hailstorm.. does the sword spec rrelle prov oh the OH??

Weapon specs apply on a per-weapon basis regardless of what the character sheet tells you. So, the answer is yes.

That's just like saying "why did they make a 1.6 offhand fist when we have 1.4 speed daggers and CQC works for both" or asking why they even make gems other than hit, expertise, AP and AGI. They've never made weapons/items so that they'll be the best possible DPS, because they want us to have to think about what will be best, they're not just going to give everything to us.

That would only work if weapon speed somehow would be tied to the item budget for stat allocation, i.e. a faster main hand weapons can have more stats added to them (or vice versa for off hand).
But as it stands now, given equal DPS and ilevel, slower = better for main hand and faster = better for off hand. There really isn't much to think about at the time being.
Or has there ever been, besides broken mechanics like Shiv spam (Combat) or poisons spinning out of control (Mutilate).

As the items have no tested or stated cooldowns, some assumptions have to be made. I used a very rough assumption model - for on hit procs (such as Greatness, and one of the two states of Wrathstone) I just assumed it would proc every 50s on average (45s internal cooldown), and used a 2min cooldown for the on-use trinkets. I also pulled the EP values off the Handbook, assuming that you are over hit cap in both cases. With those assumptions DMC:G comes out to be 420 EP for both specs, Wrathstone (Chance on hit) is 515.2 for mutilate / 504.4 for combat, Wrathstone (On use, 2min CD) is 315.5 for mutilate / 304.7 for combat and Pyrite Infuser (50s average interval between procs) is 379.8 for both specs above the poison hit cap.

Edit: Changed the numbers for Pyrite Infuser

Updated 3-27, as usual PM me if something is wrong.

Okay, so since someone hasn't done this yet, here's a compiled list of all new items of interest to rogues, sorted by slot and ilvl. If this is better spun off into a new T8 Gear Thread, just say the word and I'll do that, but seeing as the Subj. on this one was edited, I'll post it here for now, and try to keep it updated.

One interesting note is that, at least as of now, in all set slots, our highest ilvl pieces available are 226, same as T8 - though this is probably just a case of higher ilvl pieces being undiscovered at the moment.

There are also a few upgrades availiable to any rogue on patch day, most notably, the Inscribed Band of the Kirin Tor, at the cost of a few thousand gold compares reasonably well to anything in game right now.

Daggers
Daschal's Bite
Golem-Shard Sticker
Perilous Bite


MH Weapons
Fists
Golden Saronite Dragon
The Masticator
Swords
Malice

OH Weapons
Fists
Kinetic Ripper
Maces
Stonerender
Bloodcrush Cudgel
Swords
Remorse
Rune-Etched Nightblade

Ranged Weapons
Thrown
Rising Sun
Twirling Blades
Bow/Gun
Siren's Cry
Giant's Bane
Rifle of the Platinum Guard
Avalanche
Golemheart Longbow

Helm
Conqueror's Terrorblade Helmet - Emblem of Conquest
Valorous Terrorblade Helmet
Guise of the Midgard Serpent

Shoulders
Conqueror's Terrorblade Pauldrons
Shoulderpads of the Monolith
Treacherous Shoulderpads
Valorous Terrorblade Pauldrons

Chest
Conqueror's Terrorblade Breastplate - Emblem of Conquest
Winter's Icy Embrace
Tunic of the Limber Stalker
Valorous Terrorblade Breastplate

Legs
Conqueror's Terrorblade Legplates
Leggings of Wavering Shadow - Emblem of Conquest
Proto-hide Leggings - BoE
Leggings of Swift Reflexes
Valorous Terrorblade Legplates

Gloves
Conqueror's Terrorblade Gauntlets
Gloves of the Blind Stalker - Emblem of Conquest
Gloves of the Stonereaper
Valorous Terrorblade Gauntlets

Belt
Death-warmed Belt - BoE
Belt of the Twilight Assassin - Emblem of Conquest
Waistguard of the Creator
Nimble Climber's Belt
Relic Hunter's Cord

Boots
Footpads of Silence - BoE
Flamestalker Boots
Runed Ironhide Boots

Bracer
Mechanist's Bindings

Cloaks
Drape of Icy Intent
Drape of the Lithe
Shawl of the Shattered Giant
Winter's Frigid Embrace

Neck
Broach of the Wailing Night - Emblem of Conquest
Nymph Heart Charm - BoE

Rings
Loop of the Agile
Metallic Loop of the Sufferer
Inscribed Band of the Kirin Tor - Availiable on Patch Day

Trinkets
Wrathstone
Pyrite Infuser

Also of Note: In 3.1 Wintergrasp will make availiable a variety of new trinkets featuring the same on use effect as the classic 2-minute PVP trinket, but with a variety of other stats as an alternative to resilience. Should PvP trinkets become mandatory in any future raid encounters, ala Archimonde/Twins, this could be a Very Big Deal.
Titan-forged Rune of Accuracy - Availiable on Patch Day
Titan-forged Rune of Alacrity - Availiable on Patch Day
Titan-forged Rune of Cruelty - Availiable on Patch Day
Titan-forged Rune of Determination - Availiable on Patch Day

Gems
Delicate Stormjewel - Obtained from the new Fishing Daily in Dalaran.
Rigid Stormjewel - Obtained from the new Fishing Daily in Dalaran.

Speaking only for Combat Spec Rogues, and how we interact with itemization I have a few key points to bring up speaking of Ideal itemization for Combat Rogues.

ATM the BiS combination for released gear still stands to be CFD(Combat Fist/Daggers) using Respectively
Golden Saronite DragonMH
Golem-Shard StickerOH

After that you have a few viable combinations using new gear. They are as follows.
Combat Fist/Fist using MH Golden Saronite Dragon/ OH Kinetic Ripper

Combat Sword/Sword Using MH Malice/ OH Rune-Etched Nightblade

And using Ranged Siren's Cry currently appearing BiS out of all possibilities by Stat allocation.

An Interesting thing to note would be what the actual variance of DPS for such things as Remorse compared to Rune-Etched Nightblade.

Now most might say its a cut and dry decision but based on how Combat Spec factors OH itemization its not as simple as it may appear. Using general rules for OH DPS speculation you would put Rune-Etched Nightblade at 183 DPS compared to Remorse a 178 DPS base item. Not such a big overall dps difference as it stands already. That is mainly do to the fact Remorse is 13 ILvL higher than Nightblade. But what really comes to factor in now is how much DPS do you gain from Poisons with new PPM System for having a .20 slower item. Also note that Remorse has a higher general Stat allocation from ILVL off the bat. If in fact the dps gained from Poisons for .20 slower is in the range of 6-8 DPS it is quite possible for Remorse to be BiS for sword spec over Nightblade. Much testing would be required.

That also allows me to bring up Stonerender a 178 1.60 mace. I did not mention this because it has no Current MH partner to be released to date. That does not however change that fact that given another Fast Mace also in lines with Nightblade and a Good MH that it couldn't also become BiS.

On all of these notes any combination different than Saronite/Golem ATM is lacking due to the itemization of those 2 items. Golem being a 1.50 Item at 178 DPS better than anything we have seen and Saronite being a 188 DPS item also far better stated than any other available/released items to date. I will do some general testing on the PPM mechanics for poisons, with the 2 following items on PTR in hopes to come to a general conclusion as to DPS gain by slower items compared to faster. Using WD/Split Greathammer comparatively only comparing Poison dps over 5, 6 Minute Attempts using the separate items in MH only.

Two new 1.8s daggers found today:
[Daschal's Bite]
[Shadowbite]

They aren't on Wowhead yet, but posted today fro MMO-Champion:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...h/03_25_12.jpg
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...h/03_25_26.jpg

Dashal's at 232 ilvl replaces Sinister Revenge as the best known mainhand currently available.

Along with the daggers, there were a couple more items found as well:

Belt: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...h/03_25_15.jpg

Neck: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...h/03_25_25.jpg

Dropped from Trash (25) and General Vezax (10) respectively.

Maybe I'm missing something, but the Infuser is a chance on hit, not an on-use. If you assume it has uptime of around 15% that's equivalent to ~180 ap. The hit is worth ~150 ap. That's 330+.

The Wrathstone, by contrast, appears to certainly be an on-use item with a screwy tooltip. So use the second set of numbers.