◊ chalon

Even on 25-man, KT drops only 1 helm token per kill, yes. This was reported by many people in Beta, but it wasn't changed. Either that means it's intended or it was very low priority and they never got around to fixing this.

All other Naxx 25 bosses (as well as Sartharion) drop 2 tokens per kill.

 

x1tiger1x

KT drops 2 helm tokens per kill in 25man.

 

◊ Hanos

Nope, T7.25 helms are going to be in short supply, currently the only known source (and everything has been killed) is Kel'Thuzad, and he drops two per kill, so odds are even the top guilds are going to have people missing Helms for Ulduar, because the other pieces can be picked up with badegs or from the PvP boss. So make sure that the people taking them doing have a better alternative. For rogues the helm is basically required because we don't have a superior helm option and we have superior legs, chest and gloves.

PvP = The Reason We Can't Have Nice Things

 

◊ chalon

I have never seen KT drop 2 helm tokens on a kill. And I just double-checked on our guild's DKP list and only see one helm drop on each of our two kills. I also killed him many times on Beta and only ever saw 1 helm token.

First kill he dropped: [Boundless Ambition] [The Turning Tide] [Last Laugh] [Crown of the Lost Protector]

Second kill: [Boundless Ambition] [Leggings of Mortal Arrogance] [Voice of Reason] [Crown of the Lost Protector]

The only other thing I could guess is maybe one of those slots is shared with the set tokens? So he always drops 4 items, sometimes 2x non-set 2x helm, and other times 3x non-set, 1 helm?

 

ZLoBny

We got 2 helms on 25man mode this reset.

So I guess, its random.

 

◊ chalon

Was it 2+2 or 3+2?

 

Ultramax

Our kill on the 23rd resulted in 2 weapons, shield, 2 helm tokens. Seems like it's been hotfixed chalon.

 

ohnoes

I'm fairly certain they hotfixed it, if in fact he's dropping 2 helm tokens. Come to think of it our Wintergrasp lockout was increased to 7 day reset as well opposed to 3 days.

 

Tinkerfizzle

I think Wintergrasp might just be set to be either reset on Tuesday or every third day right now - whatever comes first - I could be wrong though.

 

Hulkhoegan

Using sp00n's spreadsheet v3b and all of the default gear that comes plugged in when you download the sheet I have found that a 15/51/5 spec including both 5/5 CQC and 4/5 Sword spec using [Calamity's Grasp] and [Hailstorm] is only ~20 dps below the Fist/Dagger alternative with [Calamity's Grasp] and [Webbed Death].

These are the values that I found with using a 15/51/5 spec with a 5s/5r/5e rotation with the Rupture, SS, and SnD Glyphs:

[Calamity's Grasp] / [Webbed Death] 4821.40
[Calamity's Grasp] / [Hailstorm] 4797.01

The Fist/Dagger setup is still the most effective but [Hailstorm] is currently the second best off hand from what I've found and deserves a mentioning.

 

CrayonOfDoom

Definitely a weekly reset, has "5day 17hr 33min" timer on it right now. Also, i can confirm that KT dropped 2x helms for us. Double vanquisher though, so I'm set till blizz releases more content!

 

• Feist-Mok

Did you change the race to Human, as you are?

The racial does a good bit of gap closing for any spec involving swords for us.

 

Hulkhoegan

That was with leaving the race as NE, chaning it to human does close the gap a bit more but that combo still ends up in second place.

 

Backgoode

It should also be noted that [Librarian's Paper Cutter] is essentially equivalent to [Murder] as a combat offhand.

 

Tinwhisker

It was a 3-day reset but they hot-fixed it to 7 days, they also increased his health. People were just walking in and collecting free loot. I imagine we'll start seeing more changes like this.

World of Warcraft (en) Forums -> 26/11 Archavon Encounter Changes

You're a lot of DPS, you know that? You wanna' earn 14 achievement points the hard way?

 

Haoli

I've got an interesting question for you all here, because I'm not entirely sure what to make of the trinket I'm talking about here, largely because I don't have much information.

The trinket in question is the Darkmoon Card provided by the Undeath Deck.

A report on wowhead shows the card as having:

85 Haste Rating
Each time you deal damage you have a chance to deal 744-956 shadow damage. (Proc rate: 35%, no listed internal CD)


Link


I'm not sure what to make of this trinket as a rogue option next to Fury of the Five Flights or Mirror of Truth, and certainly don't want to be chasing yet another deck if it's no good.

So far as I figure, the proc effect should proc not only off melee hits, but poison ticks, ruptures, and wound/instant poison procs.

Anybody got the know-how to crunch the numbers on this one?

(Edited for spelling errors)

 

Fezogue

According to ShadowPanther the best offhand weapon to use is Sinister Revenge yet this is a MH dagger? Can someone confirm whether this is true or not?

 

koaschten

Unless i fail at reading tooltips [Sinister Revenge] says onehand.

 

• Neto-

And Shadowpanther really isn't what you should be using to evaluate upgrades.

 

◊ chalon

Well, [Sinister Revenge] is likely the best off-hand in any event. But it's only very, very slightly better than dual Webbed Deaths.

 

Raconzor

This is slightly off-topic but ... what would you suggest we use to find upgrades? Going through the spreadsheet in its current form and exhaustively plugging in long lists of possible items in each slot is ... not fun. Of course you will use the spreadsheet to compare the relative merits of a couple of items for a slot, but as a means of finding out what might be upgrades, it is not my tool of choice.

 

Koca

From the information I've gathered, scribes make the cards for the new decks but other than that I have no idea. Does anybody know how exactly these decks are made?

 

• Maestroquark

Scribes can make [Darkmoon Card of the North], which in turn can be 1 of 8 cards from 1 of 4 decks. For the rogue-centric one, you wan Ace through Eight of Nobles. Combine them, make the deck, get your trinket.

What are you waiting for, a certain shade of green?

 

Xaoc

Shadowpanther lists the most likely item ugrades, listed via his calculations. While those calculations might not be the same as what you use to determine usefulness, you can still see what items are out there, and based off those items, get an idea of what upgrades to shoot for. In my experience, I've seen that the item rankings he has are generally correct, and something higher up on the list is generally going to be a DPS upgrade.

 

◊ chalon

Be prepared to spend several thousand gold in order to make the card, as well. Completed mine, now just have to wait for the Darkmoon Faire to come back in town.