WotLK Rogue Gear Discussion - Page 30

ShadowEric · 02/24/09, 11:00 PM

Interesting tooltip on the boots: 114 AP and another 112 AP.

I am going to hazard a guess and say that these won't be best in slot. We don't yet know what drops in Ulduar.

• Aldriana · 02/24/09, 11:14 PM

I rather imagine that's a bug - there was an item in beta that had something similar. My guess is that it will wind up with one of the two AP bonuses on it, which, if true, will make it slightly better than the existing boot options, but not by a particularly large margin. As it's itemized reasonably decently (it certainly could be better, but it's far from bad), I suspect it will be at least competitive with any other ilvl 226 boots that might exist, which makes it plausibly BIS - or at least a reasonable alternative.

That said: it's worth keeping in mind that 11 of the 14 bosses in Ulduar have hard modes, and if Sarth+3 is the model for such, it is natural to assume that a significant number of those 11 hard-mode achievements will drop ilvl ~240 loot, as will the end boss (or two) of Ulduar. Thus, the Ulduar loot table could easily contain upwards of 60 or 70 items with ilvl 240 or above, meaning that there will probably be half a dozen or more of interest to rogues - where "of interest" is defined as "very likely BIS", given the reasonably high correlation between ilvl and item quality (it's not a perfect correlation, but it's certainly better than in TBC). Hence, it's certainly possible that there will be boots (and belts) of higher ilvl than the crafted ones, which would render them rather less interesting in the long term. But we'll have to wait and see to be certain.

Valustria · 02/25/09, 1:25 AM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

I rather imagine that's a bug - there was an item in beta that had something similar. My guess is that it will wind up with one of the two AP bonuses on it, which, if true, will make it slightly better than the existing boot options, but not by a particularly large margin. As it's itemized reasonably decently (it certainly could be better, but it's far from bad), I suspect it will be at least competitive with any other ilvl 226 boots that might exist, which makes it plausibly BIS - or at least a reasonable alternative.

That said: it's worth keeping in mind that 11 of the 14 bosses in Ulduar have hard modes, and if Sarth+3 is the model for such, it is natural to assume that a significant number of those 11 hard-mode achievements will drop ilvl ~240 loot, as will the end boss (or two) of Ulduar. Thus, the Ulduar loot table could easily contain upwards of 60 or 70 items with ilvl 240 or above, meaning that there will probably be of interest to rogues - where "of interest" is defined as "very likely BIS", given the reasonably high correlation between ilvl and item quality (it's not a perfect correlation, but it's certainly better than in TBC). Hence, it's certainly possible that there will be boots (and belts) of higher ilvl than the crafted ones, which would render them rather less interesting in the long term. But we'll have to wait and see to be certain.

If they don't match T8, it's a pretty safe bet they won't be best-in-slot, unless Blizzard is retarded and totally screws up the matching boots and belt for that set. (And, to be fair, that's happened before, with T4 and T6, off the top of my head... hopefully they have learned, considering T7's matching boots/belts are good, for rogues anyway.)

Hallagenic · 02/25/09, 1:53 AM

Lets all keep in mind blizzard specifically stated they didnt want a repeat of Sunwell in wich BoP or even BoE craftables are better than raid drop items. (yet to be seen with Greatness Trinkets) This doesnt however mean that it cant be replaced later in the game say by t9 gear. I would assume its marginally safe to say these will not in fact be BiS. Exspecially given rather large amount of individual mats required to craft each.

saedo · 03/08/09, 4:32 PM

Has anyone checked if Grim Toll is the same on the PTR?

Noticing: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...wrathstone.jpg

It's exactly like Grim Toll which strikes me to either believe:
- A mistake and they'll change it
- The boost in ArP makes Grim Toll moreso overbudgetted and they're nerfing it

• QControl · 03/08/09, 4:43 PM

If you look at the other trinkets, you'll see that they're all Naxx25 trinkets which means the stats are just placeholders.

Woro · 03/09/09, 3:46 AM

Now that we recieve 0,52% more ArPen from [Wristwraps of the Cutthroat] ... are thay gonna be BiS aswell?

Armanewb · 03/09/09, 4:16 AM

The long answer is to plug the gear into the Wowhead loot weight system with a 25% higher weight on arp (1.375 for mutilate, 1.5 for combat). The short answer is, no they are still inferior to the existing BiS bracers.

magicp · 03/10/09, 9:44 AM

Originally Posted by zerochance

greed + grasscutter - COMBAT

vs

flesshape + knife of incision - MUT

which is better for dps?

Librarian's Paper Cutter is better than Fleshshaper main hand and probably better than Knife of Incision off hand. Either way, check the spreadsheets!

Iscis · 03/10/09, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by magicp

Librarian's Paper Cutter is better than Fleshshaper main hand and probably better than Knife of Incision off hand. Either way, check the spreadsheets!

KoI is tricky. The stats on it are good, but it's questionable - and very gear dependent - whether the stats and dps are enough to offset the slow speed vs LPC. With the gear I have, KoI was a slight upgrade (~10-15 dps, I believe) over LPC with similar enchants according to the spreadsheet. (I should stress, KoI was slightly better ONLY IN THE OH. MH the LPC was still substantially better.)

I took it and spent the money for Berserker mostly for PVP and in anticipation of using it in my MH with 3.1. Of course, how was I to know that I would get both an Omen and then Anarchy later that same week. I'm just glad I've got the gold to cover 3 1200g enchants in a week.

chaotika · 03/14/09, 4:00 PM

I am a combat rogue and use DCOG and GT. I have seen a lot of different opinions as to whether to use Grim Toll or to replace it with MOT. If I use the MOT then my hit goes down below cap and I would need to re-gem for hit and lose some attack power. It is hard to account for procs because of reasons stated previously in this thread so I am unsure how using the spreadsheet would be beneficial. Any opinions on which to use would be greatly appreciated.

Eredia · 03/14/09, 4:43 PM

Originally Posted by chaotika

I am a combat rogue and use DCOG and GT. I have seen a lot of different opinions as to whether to use Grim Toll or to replace it with MOT. If I use the MOT then my hit goes down below cap and I would need to re-gem for hit and lose some attack power. It is hard to account for procs because of reasons stated previously in this thread so I am unsure how using the spreadsheet would be beneficial. Any opinions on which to use would be greatly appreciated.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but wouldn't the situation be the same for both Grim Toll and Mirror of Truth, where you want to time your cooldowns with the proccs? Since the trick of timing is the same, the spreadsheet should be accurate to compare the items to eachother.

chalon · 03/18/09, 10:54 PM

Maybe we should start a new thread about T8 gear discussion, I dunno.

But in the meantime, here's T8.10: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...8_10_rogue.jpg
And T8.25: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...8_25_rogue.jpg

The first thing that stuck out for me is that there's no blue sockets, which makes the set a bigger upgrade for non-JCs over JCs. The second thing is that the 25 man set is only 7 item levels higher than the 10.

Of course, they're all upgrades over current set items, but that's to be expected.

Kaidagar · 03/18/09, 11:53 PM

Also none of the set items carry any expertise apart from the chest piece (which carries close to the same amount as [Chestguard of the Recluse].

Feist-Mok · 03/19/09, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Kaidagar

Also none of the set items carry any expertise apart from the chest piece (which carries close to the same amount as [Chestguard of the Recluse].

Which isn't that different from the current situation, wherein only the Helm has expertise.