WotLK Rogue Gear Discussion - Page 31

Facktotum · 03/19/09, 6:11 AM

Trinket stats have been updated

Flaw · 03/19/09, 7:07 AM

They may have been updated but they don't make sense.

1234 is + 26.88%, +26.88% what?

• Maestroquark · 03/19/09, 7:17 AM

Originally Posted by Flaw

They may have been updated but they don't make sense.

1234 is + 26.88%, +26.88% what?

That just means Ratings Buster is broken on the PTR, it shouldn't be parsing AP bonuses. It probably sees the "crit" in the tooltip and assumes the number is a crit bonus.

Grunge · 03/19/09, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by chalon

Maybe we should start a new thread about T8 gear discussion, I dunno.

But in the meantime, here's T8.10: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...8_10_rogue.jpg
And T8.25: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...8_25_rogue.jpg

The first thing that stuck out for me is that there's no blue sockets, which makes the set a bigger upgrade for non-JCs over JCs. The second thing is that the 25 man set is only 7 item levels higher than the 10.

Of course, they're all upgrades over current set items, but that's to be expected.

While it's true that there's no blue sockets on the set itself, several of the new non-set items have blue sockets with very appealing socket bonuses.

What I find slightly disturbing is that our sets don't have as much stamina as some other classes.
Which is great from a PvE viewpoint, and I can understand why Blizzard would go that way.
I just can't understand why they wouldn't do the same for other classes dps sets (I'm looking at you Darkruned).

Also I think it's interesting that the 10 man sets are called Valorous.
This could imply that they might be related to Valorous Badges.

Hope you didn't turn them all into gold.

Xaoc · 03/19/09, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Maestroquark

That just means Ratings Buster is broken on the PTR, it shouldn't be parsing AP bonuses. It probably sees the "crit" in the tooltip and assumes the number is a crit bonus.

Something that makes more sense, is that whoever took the screenshot, had Ratings Buster configured to show AP increase as a % value. 1234 AP is a 26% increase over 4746 AP, a number easily obtained by melee DPS.

chalon · 03/19/09, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Grunge

Also I think it's interesting that the 10 man sets are called Valorous.
This could imply that they might be related to Valorous Badges.

Hope you didn't turn them all into gold.

Two of the 10 man set pieces will be purchasable with Valorous badges, yes. I forgot which ones though.

Flaw · 03/19/09, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by Grunge

Also I think it's interesting that the 10 man sets are called Valorous.
This could imply that they might be related to Valorous Badges.

10 man bosses drop valor tokens, hence the name.

Flerixa · 03/21/09, 1:01 AM

Looks like they finally released a sword with a 1.4 speed, I'd imagine this will be a sought after item for combat.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...h/03_21_18.jpg

chalon · 03/21/09, 1:47 AM

The problem is unless there are 2.6/2.7 speed main hands you won't be using that 1.4s off-hand, since Fist/Sword isn't viable in 3.1.

Feist-Mok · 03/21/09, 1:58 AM

Originally Posted by chalon

The problem is unless there are 2.6/2.7 speed main hands you won't be using that 1.4s off-hand, since Fist/Sword isn't viable in 3.1.

Malice is pretty nice?

Moon · 03/21/09, 4:52 AM

Originally Posted by Feist-Mok

Malice is pretty nice?

Yeah it's a nice sword and all, but 2.5 speed is bad. It's simply stupid itemization to have items like that when you have a 2.7 fist dropping as well, not even mentioning the fact that they still have 1.6 offhands still on the table. PPM poisons don't solve every weapon speed issue when you have combat potency, which will always favor a faster weapon of equal dps, and sinister strike, which will always favor a slower weapon of equal dps. To me it doesn't make much sense to put 2.5 and 1.6 weapons in when they are also putting 2.6-7 and 1.4-5 speed weapons in. What's the point? We are going to skip those suboptimal weapons in favor of the correctly itemized weapons.

• Aldriana · 03/21/09, 5:06 AM

Typically MH weapon speed has been somewhat forgiving - for instance, a 2.5 speed weapon can beat a 2.6 speed weapon in the MH, particulary if it has higher DPS. But yes, in the OH, speed really is just awfully important, which renders weapons slower than the fastest available speed somewhat less useful - as we saw in TBC, with Latro's outlasting all PvE OHs (and not being that much worse than PvP OHs) up until Blade of Savagery - the next sword of comparable speed.

The poison changes will make MH weapon speed somewhat more significant, but even so, I rather suspect that we'll be playing more attention to damage than speed when looking at weapons that are 2.5-2.7 speed.

• QControl · 03/21/09, 5:08 AM

The other problem with that sword is it's only ilvl219 so if you're doing 25-mans, it gets easily outclassed by weapons like Golem-Shard Sticker.

Ulterion · 03/21/09, 6:33 AM

I was looking at mmo-champion today, and the loot discovered last night on PTR was quite interesting. Can't remember seeing a 1.4 speed sword before, but that does indeed look cool. http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...h/03_21_18.jpg .

I would assume, with more OH hots, we'd also see more procs of sword specialization, so will this bump sword såecc back up on top? Ofc, there might still be 1.4 speed maces/daggers/fists to discover. But at least it is interesting that they seem to continue the trend of 1.4 speed weapons.

Any thoughts?

Edit: And I obviously forgot to refresh my browser before I posted. Sorry about that. But the "signal" it sends about itemization is still interesting.

Ulty

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Caidon · 03/21/09, 5:34 PM

quick question.. i havent tested it yet but i tested to see if u can use a MH sword and OH dagger with 5 outa 5 CQC and 4 sword and the CQC doesnt work. but the best spec is teh calamity grasp hailstorm.. does the sword spec rrelle prov oh the OH??