WotLK Rogue Gear Discussion - Page 33

Anarkid · 04/01/09, 4:48 AM

Using 4/5 t7 is the best. As combat, you'll be wanting to drop the Malygos chest and use either the Malygos hands or Sarth +2 legs. I suggest you use your spreadsheet to find out which is superior. By the way, with all the off-tier items equipped, you are over the expertise cap, which means wasted dps stats.

Leto · 04/01/09, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by Anarkid

Using 4/5 t7 is the best. As combat, you'll be wanting to drop the Malygos chest and use either the Malygos hands or Sarth +2 legs. I suggest you use your spreadsheet to find out which is superior. By the way, with all the off-tier items equipped, you are over the expertise cap, which means wasted dps stats.

The chest may be the best option if you are a jewelcrafter, since it doesn't have a blue socket, but it depends on the other non-set pieces that you use.

blackfrost13 · 04/06/09, 7:25 PM

first time poster and read thru all the treads and some of them touch very lighting on the right type of neck. from the spread sheet it shows fool's trail pulling ahead of icy blast amulet but on other sites ie: maxdps.com it says icy blast amulet is ahead by several dps. i know come 3.1 haste is going to make a big difference with us by my question is pretty much what do yall suggest?

saedo · 04/06/09, 7:49 PM

Originally Posted by blackfrost13

first time poster and read thru all the treads and some of them touch very lighting on the right type of neck. from the spread sheet it shows fool's trail pulling ahead of icy blast amulet but on other sites ie: maxdps.com it says icy blast amulet is ahead by several dps. i know come 3.1 haste is going to make a big difference with us by my question is pretty much what do yall suggest?

Either or. Similar sidegradish necks. So use the spreadsheet to figure out what comes out ahead for you.

Mideci · 04/07/09, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by blackfrost13

first time poster and read thru all the treads and some of them touch very lighting on the right type of neck. from the spread sheet it shows fool's trail pulling ahead of icy blast amulet but on other sites ie: maxdps.com it says icy blast amulet is ahead by several dps. i know come 3.1 haste is going to make a big difference with us by my question is pretty much what do yall suggest?

It should go without saying, also, that maxdps.com -- and many similar sites -- use overly simplistic formulas for ranking gear. Generally, those formulas range from slightly inaccurate to flat out wrong. That's why people encourage you to use the spreadsheets here -- they are actually going to tell you whether a specific gear improves your steady-state dps.

Rambaral · 04/09/09, 12:00 PM

On my spreadsheet Icy was better, not by a huge amount, but at this stage nothing is a huge upgrade. I picked it up as one of the last things out of Naxx, since it doesn't seem to drop very often. The Malygos neck is BiS but depending on your guild's method of how the key gets distributed you may be at the mercy of /roll for a while, making any upgrade enticing while waiting for it.

blackfrost13 · 04/09/09, 7:29 PM

Originally Posted by chalon

Two of the 10 man set pieces will be purchasable with Valorous badges, yes. I forgot which ones though.

Just wanted to try and get a quick update on the T8 purchase with emblem of valor tokens; i'm getting mixed views that you will not be able to purchase any T8 with emblem of valor but only with the tokens that drop from 25 man uldar so if you still have emblem of valor you should just go ahead and spend them. Is this true of the change or people just making things up as they go along?

chalon · 04/09/09, 7:47 PM

It seems like you will be able to buy T8.25 helm/chest from the new badges in Ulduar 25. You will not be able to buy T8.10 pieces from Valorous badges though, I was mistaken in that quote.

Mideci · 04/10/09, 3:03 AM

Originally Posted by chalon

It seems like you will be able to buy T8.25 helm/chest from the new badges in Ulduar 25. You will not be able to buy T8.10 pieces from Valorous badges though, I was mistaken in that quote.

You won't be able to do so initially. They seemed to open the door to changing this eventually (and quite possibly will).

Tinwhisker · 04/10/09, 9:27 AM

Originally Posted by Mideci

You won't be able to do so initially. They seemed to open the door to changing this eventually (and quite possibly will).

It seems to me that adding the ability to purchase T8.10 gear with Valor at a later date would not hinder those players that are truly on the 10man progression path (and thus have little to no Valor badges) while also not allowing those players on the 25man progression path with stockpiles of Valor badges to buy their T8 2pc early.

I think there is another Problem that Blizzard is trying to avoid here as well. Players on both raid paths currently have at least a fair amount of Valor badges (mainly because Naxx 25 was so easy). If they made two pieces of T8.10 gear available right away then nobody in either path would actually want those two tokens when they drop. There would be a run on the other two and a glut of the first two. By at least delaying the T8.10 for Valor exchange they spread out the token demand.

Sarith · 04/12/09, 10:17 PM

So what is the reason for not going swords specifically? Is it based off of the fact that 156 DPS just plain sucks or because the rarity of obtaining it? Ofcourse it is probably both, but I just want to make sure because I have the Silent Crusader at the moment.

- As an additional question, swords are getting buffed in the next patch, correct?

Grunge · 04/12/09, 11:56 PM

All currently known swords are simply inferior to alternatives.
From current ulduar loot lists it seems this trend continues with 2.5 mh and 1.6 oh with both being 178 dps.

While Golden Saronite Dragon is a 188dps 2.6 mh fist and Golem-Shard Sticker is a 1.5 oh dagger.

Although we've haven't seen even the tip of the full 800+ item lootlist.

However note that this all assumes that you haven't been terribly unlucky and only have swords as your weapon choice.
Swords are fine if you compare them to same speed/ilvl gear (Silent Crusader vs Kel'Thuzad's Reach etc).

Also what do you mean by "swords are getting buffed"? By LR you mean? Since that buffs all specs.

Sarith · 04/13/09, 8:23 AM

Lightning Reflexes reduced to 3 ranks for 2/4/6% dodge and 4/7/10% melee haste.

That.

Grunge · 04/13/09, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Sarith

Lightning Reflexes reduced to 3 ranks for 2/4/6% dodge and 4/7/10% melee haste.

That.

Yes, as I said, it affects all specs.

Videlicet · 04/13/09, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Grunge

Also what do you mean by "swords are getting buffed"? By LR you mean? Since that buffs all specs.

Unless I'm mistaken, at first glance it would seem to me that sword spec in 3.1 would be benefiting from the new poison mechanics. The thing that would continue to hold swords back is the inferior speed/dps and high hit cap.