Erm... What? Have you just not used a potion since BC or something? The way it works is once you use a potion in combat, you can't use another until you leave combat, AND 60 seconds have passed - whichever comes later. If you use a potion BEFORE entering combat - even if only by a second - you can use another potion 60 seconds later. This is commonly referred to a prepotting and is a DPS gain on any fight over 1:10 in length, give or take.

So i have been thinking of this for a bit. And i came to one question concerning the prepot idea. If your raid were to BL about 10sec into the pull, you would only be getting a minor uptime of your pot while lusted. Now if you were to not prepot but instead use a pot while BL is up for maximum uptime would it out damage a prepot?

What im really asking is [(Prepot)+(BL)+(Later Pot)] vs [(Pot+BL)]


*This is all placed in the first 1min of a fight where a pot is still on cd.

Que common sense: The only time using one pot during BL is going to beat using two pots outside BL, is when BL increases your damage by 100%; and it doesn't.

That assumes that prepotting gives the full benefit of the potion, which it doesn't - both because you lose duration, and because boss debuffs take time to go up. So it's not a completely ludicrous question. That said, prepotting probably is still a larger DPS increase than a single potion during Heroism, but not by as much as you might expect.

Depends on the fight. On some, you can prepot and stealth with a macro and THEN ambush (Saurfang comes to mind). I still prefer opening with garrote as mutilate whenever possible simply because I "tested" other openers and sometimes, you lose a couple of seconds of HfB because a bleed isn't up instantly.

Assuming a bleed would be up, Mutilate seems like the best choice because of the additional poison proc or did I get this wrong?

I think this question is a little more worthy than it first appears, though I do agree that 2x 500 haste (even if the 1st isn't with ideal buffs) is the better way to go.

An enormous source of Mut. damage is from poisons (obviously), but if we look at when those poison procs. occur, it's largely b/c of the Envenom buff. Barring impossibly good RNG, it's not possible to keep Envenom up 100% of the time... outside of Hero., at least. The first thing that needs to be taken into consideration is the multiplicative nature of Hero. (which is the case, unless what I've read is incorrect), wherein 500 haste rating is effectively more than that ([haste %*1.3]+30%). At this point, does relentless strikes (and this question will be largely gear dependent) generate enough additional energy to allow for 100% Envenom uptime? If it does, the additional Mutilates w. Envenom up will generate a significant amount of poison damage that wouldn't exist w/out Pot+Hero. Enough damage that, just maybe, because of Hero's multiplicative nature and the potential to push for 100% Envenom uptime the comparison is marginal.

Because of this, I do find definite value to potting during Hero, though not enough to warrant ceasing to pre-pot.

Sadly, I'm still running DBW as one of my trinks., though potting during 2/3 DBW buffs is a worthwhile use in most cases.

Is it ever ok to use the elixir of armor piercing (+45 armor pen) over the flask of endless rage?

Even if you were ideally geared, the EP you get with 45 ArmPen would never come close to comparing to 180 AP. I am a tiny bit conflicted though, because my guild leader seems so sure of this (and he is ideally geared and seems knowledgable on his class). Is he just plain wrong on this one, or would there be gear combinations or boss situations where this would be optimal?

EDIT: Ok, now my guildmaster says dps doesn't matter. Damage matters.

What is he talking about? What is the difference between DPS and damage?

Using Aldriana's spreadsheet; at 1382 ArP, I find that ArP has a value of 3.1193 ep, which makes elixir's ep value 45x3.1191=140.3685 ep; so it is around 40 ep below Flask of Endless Rage even near ArP cap.

So unless you want to get a benefit of a guardian elixir; flask is always better.

This is a little beside the point but you would not want to use an ArP elixir at 1382 rating since you would only benefit from 18 of the 45 ArP rating (the cap is 1400 rating). To get the maximum benefit of an elixir of armor piercing, you should have 1355 rating or less. At 1355 rating, the EP of ArP will be lower then it is at 1382 rating so regardless, a flask is always better.