Pocket Guide to WOTLK (Updated for 3.3) - Page 12

Chaboi · 12/05/08, 4:07 PM

About Paxs question, gemming with agility is more ideal especially in a raid environment because the agility will scale with buffs like kings, giving you around or more ap and at the same time more crit.

Murr · 12/05/08, 4:19 PM

Originally Posted by Chaboi

About Paxs question, gemming with agility is more ideal especially in a raid environment because the agility will scale with buffs like kings, giving you around or more ap and at the same time more crit.

AP Scales with Trueshot/Abom's Might/etc.. and it also scales with the Combat talent (4%) if you're combat.

sephfiroth · 12/05/08, 4:22 PM

Originally Posted by Chaboi

About Paxs question, gemming with agility is more ideal especially in a raid environment because the agility will scale with buffs like kings, giving you around or more ap and at the same time more crit.

I dont think you can get more AP from Agility than gemming for straight AP.

Davidvilla · 12/05/08, 4:44 PM

Hey guys, I wanna see what you all think about the following spec because I have not seen a single rogue spec'd this way. However, I did hear about a few rogues out there doing 5-6k dps (taken from wow webstats) without even all lvl 80 gear with this spec.

I don't know the exact point distribution, but it involves Honor Among Thieves, from the Sub tree. If you read the talent, you basically get a CP every time someone in your groups crits. The talent also says that it can't occur once per second, but what I've heard is what that means is one per second PER PERSON. If that's the case, with a stacked group you could probably get 5 cp's every 2 seconds, and could therefore spam Eviscerate that often. Then stacking solely crit and ap would easily bring someone up to 5-6k dps.

If this has been posted on EJ before, then I apologize for reposting it, but so far I haven't seen any discussion about it. And if there hasn't been any, then I think there needs to, as this *may* prove to be an op talent.

Edit: Ok, I didn't search HAT lol, which is why I didn't get too many results. Just noticed now that there's even a post about it above mine.

Cyllan · 12/05/08, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by Davidvilla

I don't know the exact point distribution, but it involves Honor Among Thieves, from the Sub tree.
...snip...
If this has been posted on EJ before, then I apologize for reposting it, but so far I haven't seen any discussion about it. And if there hasn't been any, then I think there needs to, as this *may* prove to be an op talent.

See earlier in this thread, also see Buggy Rogue Mechanics ("Buggy" Rogue Mechanics?) and the separate thread devoted to this talent, Free Hat (http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t38187-f..._subtlety_you/).

Paxs · 12/05/08, 7:13 PM

I included all the buffs and talents that would benefit agility stats (kings/ and took off all talents/buffs that benefited AP(savage combat/abom/) and my dps still lower w/ pure agility gemmin than pure AP.

I also was told that agi is more ideal b/c of the crit and faster and tighter rotations. he was mutilate so i assume he was talking about focused attacks and seal fate. But the spreadhseet i'm using included these factors and my dps still went down when gemming pure agility.

sephfiroth · 12/05/08, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by Paxs

I included all the buffs and talents that would benefit agility stats (kings/ and took off all talents/buffs that benefited AP(savage combat/abom/) and my dps still lower w/ pure agility gemmin than pure AP.

I also was told that agi is more ideal b/c of the crit and faster and tighter rotations. he was mutilate so i assume he was talking about focused attacks and seal fate. But the spreadhseet i'm using included these factors and my dps still went down when gemming pure agility.

AP affects every single attack.

Agility gives half as much AP, and the Crit from Agility(which is different from just Crit, only affects melee crit, not spellcrit) doesnt affect things like Deadly Poison, Rupture. Which make up a decent chunk of your DPS.

Custardcream · 12/05/08, 7:27 PM

HaT questions, WWS from random fights regarding HaT should go in the new HaT thread.

Questions regarding gemming or gear upgrades can be answered in general in the OP and in more detail by using a spreadsheet.

Questions asking "what do you think of my build?" don't belong on this forum at all.

I'm getting fed up with battling through pages of off topic and useless posts.

Sylvira · 12/05/08, 9:24 PM

Looking for some help with dagger selection for HfB Mut. I dont have access to excel so cant just plug em in.

I have 2x LPC, the epic Rolfsen from badges, and blue Dagger of Betrayel(1.8speed).

Im currently using my 2x LPC and im pretty sure that its better in offhand then my epic 1.7 speed. But what about mainhand? I feel like the 1.8 speed would be better as I have deadly at a full stack most of the time either way really. Does the slight difference in DP up time and more energy from faster hits and more crits out-weigh the higher muts?

Idsapthat · 12/06/08, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Cally

Mutilate dagger speeds and poisons changed due to recent evidence that Mutilate has two chances
to proc the offhand poison. It is now more preferable to put the faster weapon in the offhand with IP.

Just a quick question on this. the spreadsheet still says that MH omen (instant) OH incision (deadly) is about 40dps better than the reverse. Could this be because of my current gear level?

The World of Warcraft Armory (gemming is a bit skewed at the moment)

Xangetsu · 12/06/08, 1:23 AM

Originally Posted by Idsapthat

Just a quick question on this. the spreadsheet still says that MH omen (instant) OH incision (deadly) is about 40dps better than the reverse. Could this be because of my current gear level?

The World of Warcraft Armory (gemming is a bit skewed at the moment)

The spreadsheet does not take into account the Double-Proc of your Offhand poison.

You can read Chalon's post here to see how to hack the spreadsheet to factor it in.

Idsapthat · 12/06/08, 1:32 AM

Originally Posted by Xangetsu

The spreadsheet does not take into account the Double-Proc of your Offhand poison.

You can read Chalon's post here to see how to hack the spreadsheet to factor it in.

Cheers. Seems [Lightblade Rivener] is better in the OH now, with omen in MH.

koaschten · 12/06/08, 7:47 AM

Originally Posted by Sylvira

Looking for some help with dagger selection for HfB Mut. I dont have access to excel so cant just plug em in.

Last time i checked Vulajin's sheet at The Roguecraft Spreadsheet was 100% OpenOffice compatible which can be downloaded legally for free at www: OpenOffice.org - The Free and Open Productivity Suite

Bues · 12/06/08, 4:16 PM

This concerns combat gemming when above poison hit cap, but below the hard hit cap:

I'm just wondering why you would use [Delicate Scarlet Ruby] or [Bright Scarlet Ruby] when you could use a [Glinting Monarch Topaz], [Deadly Monarch Topaz], or [Wicked Monarch Topaz] because they give you more dps?

jorysaywut · 12/06/08, 5:28 PM

On what basis are you assuming the latter gems would give more DPS? I don't know about your gear set but whether I'm Combat or Mut; AP tends to be the stat to stack assuming I have enough expertise. This assumption is based on the spreadsheet, which you should be using to make these decisions. If you're not using the spreadsheet, where is your evidence showing these gems to be superior?