Yea I did read that, thanks for that info. I do use the Hyperspeed Accelerators along with tightly chaining Tott between me and the other rogue (canceling our added agro) in my guild religiously. For someone like me that has leveled my first toon in WOW that chose Herb/Alch and wants to push 2000+ in 2v2/3v3 (Not that I have thus far) its defiantly a viable dps increase from say Mining & Herbalist for example. With the added amount of dailies up to 25 per its now not needed to have a 2nd toon to farm or a gathering prof to keep you in gold. Surely there going to be others like myself at one time that want to asses this info. Peeps who like PVP and are going to raid on the same Rogue are gonna pretty much roll Engineering in mass I would think, so to that end it might be useful in a "Pocket guide' to see the trade off you get for all professions. That means listing weights for Muti & Combat, in my eyes its a good trade off for to as near the best of both worlds you gonna get other than having 2 separate rogues one for raiding and one for PVP.

Surely not worth the Global Cooldown and time to aim at target/release?

Aldriana's 3.1 FAQ says for Mutilate Rogues to take Turn the Tables while the Pocket Guide states taking Master Poisoner. This may cause some confusion for "the average joe" who comes here and looks at the pocket guide.

Arr ok pal good to know, thanks, I got shitloads so ill work out a better button for them thanks )

Like me? Yes lol

On the spreadsheet, I am also getting higher dps values with TtT vs Master poisioner, is this accurate?

I'm a bit confused by your post. I think the main question that most people will have, after looking at both mechanics, would be:

Is MP's improved envenom buff better than the 6% additional crit that TtT would offer?

This also is keeping in mind that MP's crit buff does not stack with other classes with similar buffs, while TtT will. Atleast with my understanding. Perhaps I'm confused on the mechanics but thats the way I have always understood them.

In regard to the discussion going on in the last few posts concerning MP vs TtT, you don't need to spec a full 3/3 points into either. Depending on your gear and raid makeup, it is very possible that splitting 3 points up between both TtT and MP will give you the highest theoretical dps, a spreadsheet will be very useful to help you make the decision on what distribution is best.

Just wanted to make that clear because for whatever reason, it seems that a lot of people have only considered speccing full into MP or fully into TtT, which isn't necessarily the best idea.

Perhaps (re-)stating the obvious, but:
* MP's crit buff is a straight up crit buff, and allows you to reapply DP more quickly.
* TTT is 6% crit for your yellow (non-finisher, so...Mutilate) attacks.

The following is just my personal opinion:

From what I've read, the dps difference between the two (fully talented) is relatively minimal.
* MP is likely to be more useful in 10s, where you are less likely to have someone else providing the buff.
* TTT is likely to be more useful in 25s, where you are almost certain to have someone else providing the buff. Provided you have a fast weapon to reapply DP in a timely fashion.

If you're relying on a slow off-hand, you might want to spec MP to offset this.

Yesterday before raid I wrote down my numbers. Unbuffed I have 3896 AP with all agility gems, (6 +16 agility and 3 JC gems) and my agility is 1276. With full raid buffs my AP is 5459. Can changing to AP gems really get me more AP than that? I'm not someone that can do the theorycrafting and calculations myself and often rely on the spreadsheets. Thank you for further clarification.

Yes, you will get more AP with AP gems... Only taking your 6 +16 agility gems you are gaining 96 AP then consider Blessing of Kings, which will net you ~106 AP. While 6 +32 AP gems will give you 192 AP. Only a spreadsheet will let you know which of the two is best in terms of DPS though.

So today, while waiting for raid time I decided to take this guide and put some of the information i tend to forget onto a piece of paper i can have at my desk and since i cant make a new forum post yet i'm going to add it onto this as a reply and hope someone sees it

Its meant to be printed on a 3 x 5 index card

http://www.c4isbad.com/roguepocket_combat31_front.png
EDIT: updated url & information

So far i've only done one for combat spec

TO DO:

1. Combat Back
2. Assassination Front/Back
3. Subtlety Front/Back

let me know what you think, or if i have anything wrong

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