I have been pondering this for awhile so figured I would ask here since the topic has come up before. Is it worth re-gemming for ArPen without BiS? I have a good chunk of Ulduar 25 gear and some ToC 10 and 25 pieces, Steel Bladebreaker and Planestalker Signet. I was using the spreadsheet updated in the other thread, I am horrible at excel to the point where editing it the add the new stuff wouldn't work probably, and it showed a loss of DPS. I do pretty good DPS as is and just wanted some good feedback. Thanks.

I've been looking at it too. Generally though, on the first page of the spreadsheet where on the right side you have the stat weighing:
You want your ArP EP value to be close to your Agi EP value before you start regemming (if it's already over it's a nobrainer, go ArP). In my current gear I got ~0.01 added ArP value per ArP gem. However, my current ArP value with agi gems is 1.88, where agi is at 2.04, so regemming would bring my ArP value up to 2.00, but it's still behind, so I wouldn't go for ArP gemming.

This is just a small rule of thumb. Hope it helps.

Since there is no lvl 258 offhand mace from the Coliseum, how would [Relentless Gladiator's Punisher] compare to the Steel Bladebreaker in the combat mace setup?

At 1.5 speed with no agi, pvp stats, and a blue socket, the bladebreaker would be higher dps.

I finally found some time to test Aldriana's BiS setup in the simsheet. Everything checks out including the fact that mace setup is slightly ahead of axes. Also ruptureless strategy is ahead of using rupture by about 100dps. As far as the changes to snd strategy, for simsheet users I want to point out that's how snd has been modeled in it before. To match Aldriana's refreshing of snd 2 seconds before it expires, go to DPS Strat and change "Refresh if this many ticks are remaining (1 tick = 0.2sec)" to 10. The default was 5, but going to 10 is a slight dps increase. Also I had to make some changes to allow for ruptureless cycles, so you have to redownload the simsheet if you want to use it.

As far as numbers go, my estimates are slightly lower than those in Aldriana's spreadsheet. I get 9833 for the mace setup, and 9789 for axes (that's with cat's swiftness).

P.S. all stat total match Aldriana's, except for agility, i am getting 11 more from the gear Aldriana posted, so there is probably some error in either my data entry or Aldriana's. I'll double check mine again.

I added up everything manually as a cross-check to the numbers in the sheet (and corrected a few mistakes based on doing so), so I'm vaguely confident in my numbers.

As a side note on the Eviscerate cycle: the 5 seconds for refreshing with a full stack is a calculated number, and can be shown to be optimal. The 2 second number for refreshing ad hoc is a little more estimated, so it's possible that tweaking it a little might help. I'd think in general shorter should be better, provided it gets refreshed before it drops consistently.

Also: there was a slight spreadsheet bug that was overestimating the eviscerate cycle damage - my new estimate is 9948. Still a bit ahead of yours, but closer.

No, mutilate is fine.

Comparing BiS gear for both, it is projected to be behind Combat in many fight situations but that line of thinking is largely academic and the actual difference is not as large as some would seem to make it appear. The actual difference between the two will depend a lot more on what weapons you have to choose from, your own personal skill and the the mechanics of the fight than on projections made based off imaginary fights.

Well I'm no math expert, but I know there's hope for mutilate with the new tournament. You spend a lot of time on target in the new fights as well as some of them being murderable, which is what pushes mutilate passed combat. I would love to switch back to mutilate, but I'm having trouble getting a hold of a good set of daggers.

What is the difference between your so-called "imaginary fights" and the "actual fights"? The dps is calculated based on assumptions of a perfect dps situation, (IE, no movements, no dps downtime, single target dps, etc). the Very fact that Combat possesses powerful CD that can be used in conjunction makes it a much more viable raiding spec than mutilate which only becomes useful in single target dps. The model's assumption benefits mutilate in terms of damage prediction because mutilate suffers more if there are heavier movements or dps interruption. Mutilate has to outperform combat on single target dps by a large margin for mutilate to be a viable spec in pve especially with so much armor pen floating around in tier 9 gears.

I've Played mutilate before and mutilate only, Despite how you might feel about the spec, when You try to present your position or make a statement, please try to back them up with reasoning, and not with you personal preference. You can not merely state that "this line of thinking is merely academic and the difference is not as large" without telling us why or analyzing what you believe that the assumptions are. Please do not make claims of which spec is better because you don't want to see mutilate becomes worse than combat. by not presenting anything reasonable to back yourself up, that, however, is the impression you've left here.

I'm still mutilate at the moment (mainly because i like the spec and dont have a combat weapon) and able to hit benchmark numbers, but i will be swapping to combat when I can seeing how far it's projected to be ahead of mut in BiS gear. Mutilate is still great and fun, but so far it looks like it will be falling behind though there is still hope with undiscovered drops...

Mutilate is a bit behind in dmg in 3.2 if we look at it as pure min/maxing. The fights in colloseum with lots of target switching or time of target lean towards combat as well. However if your guild runs multiple rogues it is usually a good idea to have one of them run Mutilate, to have it a bit easier with distributing weapons and offset pieces.
Next to that master poisoner can be a nice buff to have in 10 mans.

40 x your crit EP. Approx 64.

Just realized I wrote down the wrong set of numbers when I made that total stat list; it should be 1440 agility total, not 1419 (stupid metagem). Damage numbers are still correct, though.

Great that's what I had. I wrote the difference was 11, but looking at 1440 it was in fact the number I had, so I am glad we cross-audited the data entry.

I read recently that they nerfed the cooldown on this from 45 seconds to 60. I tested this and it was procing at 60-65 seconds. The article I read said that it's uptime is around 25% now so would that put it at 55EP or am I reading it wrong?

If the internal cooldown has been made 60 seconds, then, yes, uptime would be something under 25%, the trinket synergy would be broken, and all in all the enchant would drop to the realm of "not even remotely interesting". As I am not a tailor I can't vouch for whether or not the proc rate has indeed been changed, but if your testing shows it has then yes, it's probably time to move to other professions.

That seems to be mostly talking about the caster one - just to be sure, have you tested the AP one to make sure it was similarly nerfed?

Yes, I was 430 Tailoring until a couple of days ago. Darkmoon card was going off about 15 seconds before the embroidery buff would proc again. Hopefully someone that still has the profession can back me up on this.

I see most BIS lists involving two completely different trinkets. Is it not possible to equip both versions of the Death's Verdict/Choice? That being, the normal 245 version, and the heroic 258 version, at the same time? If possible, those would be the two BIS trinkets, no?

Death's Choice is the Horde Version. Death's Verdict is the Alliance version; hence, these two are mutually exclusive.

What does exist is two different versions of each - there's Death's Verdict, and then Death's Verdict (Heroic). However, as both are marked "Unique: Death's Verdict", one cannot equip both at the same time.

Does the trinkets Death's Verdict and Darkmoon Card Greatness have any overlapping internal CD problems? Is it even possible for an internal cooldown of one itme to share another internal cooldown of another item? Just wondering...

They do not share an internal cooldown and they can stack with each other.