Pocket Guide to WOTLK (Updated for 3.3) - Page 54

qrko · 05/08/09, 8:55 PM

Thank You very much.

Nightbliss · 05/08/09, 9:23 PM

Originally Posted by NoPoint

I'd have to disagree for a certain number of those fights. One of which I'd say would definitely be XT.

parse

I have to mention, there was no windfury that night as our enhancement shaman wasn't able to make it so the numbers are a bit low. I'll have to see if I can dig up another parse from a prior week. I've also had no issues what so ever with thorim in keeping on top of meters.

I do however agree that combat excels on razorscale as well as Kalogarn and Freya. It seems most fights where there's multiple targets, mutilate can have trouble keeping up.

Don't want to be an ass but 6k DPS on XT is not something you should be proud of.
The only XT parse I have we had WG battle going on so we could barely kill him let alot do any decent DPS.
Ill try and post the parse from the next reset. Should be able to finish with 8-9k DPS as Combat.

geese · 05/09/09, 2:17 AM

got a question that I would like to ask long ago concerning the EP weighting on poison hit(1.8 EP) and white hit (1.2EP),should I use 1.8 for calculating the hit EP after or before I reach the poison hit cap? Same for the 1.2 EP,should I only use that after I reach the white hit cap(722 hit) or should I use it before I reach white hit cap(315-711 hit) ?

feeb · 05/09/09, 3:09 AM

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

Top 20 rogue parses for each boss, combat obviously pulls ahead on the fights you would expect it to (kologarn, mimi etc) but for the most part both specs are equal.

Tholofonos · 05/09/09, 3:18 AM

Originally Posted by geese

got a question that I would like to ask long ago concerning the EP weighting on poison hit(1.8 EP) and white hit (1.2EP),should I use 1.8 for calculating the hit EP after or before I reach the poison hit cap? Same for the 1.2 EP,should I only use that after I reach the white hit cap(722 hit) or should I use it before I reach white hit cap(315-711 hit) ?

They are the values up to the cap. Makes sense when you think about it - the white hit cap is the point at which no more hit gives any benefit because you never miss anything ever.

Graph · 05/09/09, 12:59 PM

Perhaps this has been covered,

But in a 51/13/7 Build, couldn't relentless Strikes be taken out for Lightning reflexes? Like this 51/18/2

I don't have numbers to back this up but it would seem as though a %15 Melee speed increase is worth more than a chance at 25 energy

Feist-Mok · 05/09/09, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by Graph

Perhaps this has been covered,

But in a 51/13/7 Build, couldn't relentless Strikes be taken out for Lightning reflexes? Like this 51/18/2

I don't have numbers to back this up but it would seem as though a %15 Melee speed increase is worth more than a chance at 25 energy

Except that Relentless Strikes isn't really a 'chance' at 25 energy, seeing as it reaches 100% at 5/5 - the spreadsheets are more than adequate for modeling that particular bit of spec variation, and as of now, it doesn't seem to be worth it - in fact, speccing out of CQC and some Precision points to grab Serrated Blades actually pulls ahead with BIS gearsets.

Ayir · 05/10/09, 2:00 PM

I remember reading a while ago that as Mutilate the HfB glyph should replace your SnD glyph once you could get it and to respec 1 point from Precision to Imp. SnD to make up for this. I was trying to look through the thread but couldn't find where I had read this. Could someone please confirm that this is the case?

wykedtron · 05/10/09, 3:08 PM

Originally Posted by Ayir

I remember reading a while ago that as Mutilate the HfB glyph should replace your SnD glyph once you could get it and to respec 1 point from Precision to Imp. SnD to make up for this. I was trying to look through the thread but couldn't find where I had read this. Could someone please confirm that this is the case?

You can drop one point in precision and put it in s&d but it's really not needed. Mutilate glyph makes the cycle shorter and s&d should never fall off. It comes down to player experience though. If s&d falls off alot It would only make sense for you to try it. Looking at your gear you should probably drop that glyph and put in a mutilate glyph.

kujararanch · 05/10/09, 3:22 PM

Originally Posted by Shuffles

The FAQ says 51/7/13 out preforms 51/13/7 at 4/5 tier 8. With dropping 3 points in Precision what is the new hit cap we should be aiming for?

I'd like to see some testing for this.
Given that the new items have an overabundance of hit.
In a serious raid situation you will always have fairy fire and a draeni.
Ruptures crit in a 4 piece.

Kilgore · 05/10/09, 5:55 PM

Extra buffs or debuffs Specials Poisons White
None 197 393 820
Imp FF or Misery 197 315 820
Imp FF or Misery 164 289 787
& Heroic Presence (draenei)

from the 1st page

Sleeptime · 05/11/09, 1:21 AM

Why does the 51/13/07 (early ulduar) build have master poisoner and the 51/07/13 (later ulduar) build have Turn the Tables?
I can understand the Serrated Blades with 4 pieces set thing, but I dont understand why get Turn the Tables. Any clues?

DaxosBG · 05/11/09, 3:16 AM

Originally Posted by Sleeptime

Why does the 51/13/07 (early ulduar) build have master poisoner and the 51/07/13 (later ulduar) build have Turn the Tables?
I can understand the Serrated Blades with 4 pieces set thing, but I dont understand why get Turn the Tables. Any clues?

Well the dps change between them isn't alot. If you have perf raid setup go for TtT if not master poisoner

Xaoc · 05/11/09, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sleeptime

Why does the 51/13/07 (early ulduar) build have master poisoner and the 51/07/13 (later ulduar) build have Turn the Tables?
I can understand the Serrated Blades with 4 pieces set thing, but I dont understand why get Turn the Tables. Any clues?

Late Ulduar gear (read BiS) has around 330 haste, along with a 1.4 OH dagger. With that type of gear, you generally dont need the extra chance to apply DP after an envenom. And, like Daxos mentioned, the DPS difference is really small, so its not super important.

Analogkid · 05/11/09, 1:18 PM

Originally Posted by Xaoc

Late Ulduar gear (read BiS) has around 330 haste, along with a 1.4 OH dagger. With that type of gear, you generally dont need the extra chance to apply DP after an envenom. And, like Daxos mentioned, the DPS difference is really small, so its not super important.

The first point in MP is worth more than the 2nd, and the 2nd is worth more than the 3rd (in DPS per point).

Most that are well geared in Ulduar are going 2/3 MP and 1/3 TtT and finding it to be more overall DPS. I have it and never have DP stack problems.