I'd rather have suspected the SS glyph, since it already changes the crit mechanic.
Hm, maybe the SS glyph prevents it from happening.

Did both rogues in the test have the same glyphs?


Be careful with linked mobs though. The threat from shooting will be applied to yout TotT target, but the initial (body pull) aggro from other mobs will be on you.

This is probably not likely but are we looking at other factors too? However unlikely it may be some of the strangest things interact very oddly with each other an it may be a combination of multiple things.

As an offhand example, Gnome rogues speak and understand Draconian; neither Gnome nor rogue has anything to do with languages but it's just bugged that way. Posting Race/Faction, specific talent spec, and maybe even items with specific proc effects might prove useful.

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Oh and one more bug about Killing Spree if it hasn't been mentioned already. Because you apparently phase during the duration, your focus will be lost when you use killing spree and you leave the phase of your target (I observed and tested this multiple times with another rogue I was swapping Tricks of the Trade with last night).

Set focus, pop Killing Spree, focus lost.

Neto- is Undead, koaschten is Troll, and both observed the 2CP bug.
Iamzim on the other hand is Night Elf, and hasn't.
Could some alliance rogue test if it's a 'racial bonus'?


I've never lost my focus target yet when using KS. Only when we wipe I have to re-set it.

When you used your Killing Spree or when he used his?

I've noticed focus being buggy with a number of the "suddenly, untargetable, then back again" mechanics, including Death Knight pseudo-Ankh and some abilities that didn't make sense at the time that I can't remember off hand.
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If TotT is meant to be only melee abilities or only "class/weapon attacks" could someone check to see whether the threat from a healing potion can be transferred using the ability?

Yeah, sorry, I wasn't very clear there. If I remember correctly, when he used Killing Spree I lost him as a focus target.

He phased out for killing spree meaning he wasn't a 'real' character for 2.5 seconds and thus gone. I believe there's a blue post somewhere that they changed Killing Spree at some point to make rogues untargetable during it's duration which may mean that it clears them from anyone's focus as well. Possibly handy for arenas but infinitely annoying in PvE.

Yeah, Spree essentially "destroys" your character, as far as I can tell. I first noticed it when leveling to 80 with my wife. She likes having a mark on me so she can tell where I went easily since I tend to play a bit more quickly than she does. Every time I would use Spree, my mark would disappear. Couple this with focuses dropping, Spree allowing you to avoid Malygos' Vortex, and it begins to be pretty clear that Spree removes you from the gameworld for all intents and purposes.

Also, that HAT bug is amazing fun. I urge everyone to abuse it till they fix it. =p

What is up with Misdirect and Tricks of the Trade being implemented differently?

Our hunters use Misdirect to pull entire groups to the tank - all that is required is to put MD on a tank and then shoot a single linked mob. All mobs then acquire the tank as a target, and they will run back ignoring the hunter and any other inactive players until they do something to generate threat.

Tricks definitely does not work this way - if you toss at a single mob, it moves to the tank and the other linked mobs come and hunt you down. Which is painful.

I don't know which skill is the actual buggy one (maybe Misdirect has just always been broken) but it irks me that the skills don't work the same way for pulling.

It may have to do with TotT not showing up on your target until after you make your attack and it registers you on the threat table. The threat is yours until that buff shows up on your target; hunters likely never have the threat of their attacks registered to them at all.

Does the hunter fd after md, or do the mobs actually just go straight to the tank? I know if the tank doesn't have body aggro, when I pull with tricks the mob targets me for a second then goes on the tank. Maybe the increased range of hunters has something to do with avoiding body aggro when misdirecting?

Wouldn't he be pulling aggro with an attack while tricks buff is up? Ie use tricks, then throw at the mob... it might be a latency delay in applying the buff to the targeted player.

The other rogue I tested it with was a human rogue. I will attempt to test later on today with various other rogues of other races.