"Buggy" Rogue Mechanics? - Page 41

Taffer · 04/22/10, 6:57 PM

You're expertise capped for dodge, not for parry. Since the trinket proc is a weapon attack, standing in front of the mob (or behind, but close enough to the center of its hitbox) can result in a parry.

saedo · 04/22/10, 8:05 PM

Parry means you're in front of the boss, or so deep in the hit box that you're practically in front. Expertise only drops the dodge if you remain behind them.

Edit: Whoops, sorry didn't not see it was answered already

sp00n · 04/23/10, 4:08 AM

Originally Posted by saedo

Parry means you're in front of the boss, or so deep in the hit box that you're practically in front. Expertise only drops the dodge if you remain behind them.

Just to not let any misunderstanding happen: of course expertise also negates dodges when you are in front of the boss. It's just that parries are added to the combat table if you stand in the described positions, and parry is at a higher percentage than dodge, thus you will still see them despite being expertise capped for dodge.

The posting was a bit ambigous about that.

Zulkeir · 04/23/10, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Jabz

Sooo.. This has happened to me a few times at most. Not enough to be a huge deal. I used to wear 4 pieces of tier until we got some heroics down. I now wear 2 pc gloves and legs, and other heroic offpieces.

The weird thing is I still occasionally seem to get 4 combo points after an envenom seemingly out of nowhere. The occurrence is something like this:

1. Go for the envenom.
2. For some reason combo points don't disappear..
3. I assume envenom was parried
4. I realize my envenom buff is at full duration.
5. I realize the envenom landed. Where did those combo points come from?

Am I lost? Am I missing something? Has anyone else seen this issue? The only thing that could possibly make sense is that my envenom was indeed parried and the addon I use to track my envenom buff didn't register it as a parry. This is unlikely as i'm sure the addon wouldn't track it that way.

You got parried, the buff still applies, but CttC will not proc and reset SnD. Can be interesting from time to time. Essentially when you use Envenom 3 things happen, in this order:
1) Apply Env buff.
2) Do damage, if this gets parried, you get your energy refund and keep your CP
3) If damage was dealt, CttC triggers.

This is also why you can sometimes get the Env buff and Damage in, and yet still have SnD fall off if you were cutting the timer close.

I was just testing on the dummy, and then moused over the rupture tool tip. 5 pts it says = 21 seconds. Yet every time I do 5 combo point rupture I get 20 seconds. Unglyphed the time is 16 seconds for 5 pts, as says the tooltip, and indeed it does last that long.

May just be a rounding issue, or latency. By the time the buff gets applied and shows up, it may have been ticking a bit server side, or w/e.

Isilmedae · 04/26/10, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by Taffer

You're expertise capped for dodge, not for parry. Since the trinket proc is a weapon attack, standing in front of the mob (or behind, but close enough to the center of its hitbox) can result in a parry.

It was actually on Toravon and I'm pretty sure that I was behind him most of the time but it is possible I might have been too close to the middle of his hitbox. Its just something unusual that I noticed going through my Recount.