Or we can just have a different NElf rogue test it so see if race is even the issue. I'll test it tomorrow if no one else has by then.

You get 1 CP from every party members crit (regardless of class or race), like normal. The bug is you get extra CPs (3 w/ 1 other HAT rogue) for your OWN crits including on finishers. So in a raid situation it is prob best to spam evis on GCD regardless if youre at 5 cps or not.

Last night I was in a party with a Human rogue and a Night Elf rogue. I am a dwarf rogue, and all three of us were specced HAT and we were all getting 3CP per group crit. So I don't think it's race exclusive at all, but a very odd bug indeed.

I have noticed a fairly odd bug and I was wondering if anyone else has. Ever since I started using my 4-piece, my energy will occasionally tick down whenever I try to use mutilate (for example, I sit at 60 energy, hit mutilate but suddenly my bar ticks down to 58). This can happen on certain mobs over and over, but usually just happens once or twice on any given mob. Has anyone experienced this?

I do not know if this is worth mentioning, but I am also currently experiencing the combat fists extra 5% crit bug, and the bug that allows me to speak Titan. Would it be feasible that either of those bugs would interfere with the HAT bug?

You have always gotten CP based on your own crits, that is not a bug.

FoK yields 1cp per target it crits on through HaT

A rogue in my guild has been testing poison procs and has been reporting that mutilate has a chance to proc your OH weapon's poison twice.

This was reported earlier in the thread and the findings have been that it is true. What this means for Mutilate rogues is that they want to have the fastest dagger their OH if they are of differing speeds and to apply Instant Poison to the OH and Deadly to the MH.

The newest version of Vulajin's spreadsheet has also been changed to reflect this.

In point of fact, it has 2 chances to proc everything - it procs poison twice, and everything else as well. It also checks twice to proc the weapon enchant (Mongoose/Berserking), a single Mutilate applies 3 stacks of Blackened Naaru Sliver, and so on.

It doesn't, regretably, double-proc Focused Attacks, presumably because it's on-crit rather than on-hit, but everything else I've tested shows it checking for procs twice per Mutilate.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't proc FoFF twice.

This is a "known" issue and has been ongoing for a while now, it was in fact discussed just a page or two back. There's nothing really more to see or do about it.

Should this be some sort of Bolded item in the first post?

When I get some more spare time I'll go through the thread and make a summary post at the top of the thread.

Re: Mutilate and two chances to proc poison on the offhand attack, I don't think that it changes the poison conclusions previously laid out: With Deadly MH, Wounding OH, I found myself "poison-starved" with a 1.3 offhand when trying to envenom, on occasion.

Since we've done testing on procs with Mutilate, has anyone bothered to test how procs work with Fan of Knives? You can definitely proc poisons with it, but I'm not sure about other effects. And seeing as how it's another "both weapons" attack (and aoe as well) I imagine it might "suffer" from the same kind of bugs as mutilate.

Earlier in the thread it was discussed. Some poisons are 100yd range, some are "melee". That seems to affect poison procs from ranged abilities like fan of knives.

To be specific, Anesthetic Poison, Instant Poison, and Mind-numbing Poison are listed as "melee range", which means if you are standing more than 5 yards from your target, these poisons cannot proc with FoK. However these poisons can proc with FoK if you are standing closer than 5 yards from the target.

Deadly Poison, Wound Poison, and Crippling Poison all have 100 yard range and work with FoK from any range.

The discussion a few pages back only says that this is known and will be fixed eventually, however i think we might try to narrow the problem down a bit further. I personally don't experience this bug, having checked with multiple weapon combinations (unarmed, fist, dagger, sword).

So it leads me to wonder why would some people have it and some not? Might it have something to do with people having been specced for fist before the talent tree redesign, and somehow still having the unarmed crit aura stuck on and stacking with the new cqc crit aura?

If everyone had it, it would be one thing, but this appears to be hit or miss, leading me to believe it may take longer to fix than one might think.

If it is making a graphical effect on the floor, might there be a range component? Perhaps the rogues need to be within melee range of each other as well as the boss to receive the extra cp.

Ah yes. Might well be. I was standing nearly within melee range just not attacking. Unfortunately didn't test, if I was or wasn't in range. Will repeat this.
The graphical effect was a kind of purple circle around the Dummy and also everytime the 'HAT Proc' happens there is a special sound playing.
Should be easy reproducable for each tester when nobody else is attacking the Dummy.

This could very well be, as I have this bug, and a guildie doesn't, and before 3.0 I was running dual fists, and he was using swords.
Not exactly conclusive evidence though.

We did a little bit of testing on the HaT bug and it seemed to us, that we only received the extra combo points when it was an eviscerate that crit, not a hemo, or other yellow attack.


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I am not too familiar with DK mechanics or diseases in general, but I have noticed that Blood Plague, the disease triggered when hit by a Death Knight's Plague Strike ability, does not remove me from stealth when it ticks.

I tested it with a DK friend of mine a few days ago and I believe I can confirm that this is certainly true.