I think you are right about that theory, I got two rogues, a level 70 which I played on in level 70 and a new one I leveled up right before WotLK, I got the bug on my 70 rogue that was dual fists before 3.0 and I do not have the bug on my new rogue.

This isn't exactly a buggy mechanic but my combat log doesn't show damage from Fan of Knives.

I can confirm this. i have the bug and i was using dual fists before 3.0 and a sword wielding friend who is now using fists is getting 5% less base crit than me with the same talent build which includes CQC.

Hi,

I read ealier in this thread that DP stacks were still bugging out other Rogues' DP stacks. The fix I believe was to re-apply the poison, die, or purchase a new stack of Poisons.

Is this still the case?

I put in a ticket describing the DP issue and my inability to Envenom. I received a reply saying that this was functioning correctly.

Can anybody confirm if they are still having this issue and a fix for it so I can be prepared when my guild starts running 25 mans and I therefore have a second rogue?

Thanks.

I recently did run 5 man with another rogue and I was unable to get DP to apply to our target but I could see his stack on there. I just switched to wounding/instant to compensate, but it is problematic.

Your combat log settings are probably not set right. I'd suggest resetting them to defaults, or at least making sure you enable the checkbox to show ranged attacks in the log. FoK shows up fine in the combat log.

Well, it definitely IS a bug. It's just not the bug that he thought it was. There's no logical reason why a higher rank poison stack should prevent another player's lower rank poison stack from applying.

With regard to the chance to proc the offhand poison twice in a Mutilate attack:

I understand that based on this information, the preferred setup has changed to IP on the offhand and DP on the mainhand. I'm wondering if that is necessarily the best setup, because it seems to me like reapplying DP quickly might be more important than a chance for two IP procs. As I understand it, Vulajin's spreadsheet doesn't model mutilate as having two chances for the offhand to to apply the poison.
So anyway, has any math or testing been done to confirm that IP/DP is more dps than DP/IP?

Sorry if this isn't the most appropriate thread, but I figure this is where the bug issue was first raised.

It has been updated, when i checked, the double instant poison procs on Mut yield more DPS than a higher DP uptime.

However, doing this has screwed me over a few times in a course of a night, when there simply is no DP to use Envenom. And then my SnD falls off, and I feel like a idiot.

If it's that desperate you could always use the other ability CttC mentions. Evisc may be worse than Envenom, but having to use the combo points for SnD is worse than either one.

The probability of going 24 seconds without a DP proc (the 12 seconds before your SnD ends) is really low, around .003% (very rough estimate, but I'm confident that it's no more than .02%) Granted, if you absolutely don't want to do another envenom until SnD is nearly out (what are you doing with your combo points???) the chance of being stuck with no poison at the last minute is a little higher, but still really low (a poison could proc in the first 12 seconds, and wear off by the 24th). The point here is that if your suffering so greatly from this problem, the solution is to play better, spec better, or just use eviscerate! Nerfing your DPS even more by applying your poisons wrong just creates another problem.

I always use DP IX. So unless the other rogue has access to perhaps DP X, which to my knowledge doesn't exist yet, that's not the issue. The only thing I can assume is that sometimes it bugs out thinking the stack is your stack and won't apply it if you have less attack power now because a trinket proc wore off.

As a side note I was able to run a 25 man Sartharion and 2 wings of Naxx with two other rogues and I didn't encounter this problem.

It's a simple solution to keep rogues from using 2 different ranks of DP.

Check that the other rogue wasn't using a lower rank of DP than you, he might have just leveled and hadn't bought new ranks yet.

I had this same issue with a Combat rogue, but only on Anub'Rekhan's adds. It happened consistenly on them, but not on him or any other trash. Since I have vile poisons the other rogue switched to WP so that I could stack DP, so I couldn't tell you if we would have continued to get the bug on other mobs in Naxx.

It's not a solution if it creates new problems. It's a bug, or possibly the result of very lazy programming. Either way it should be corrected. Blizzard can easily prevent one rogue from having two separate Deadly Poison stacks active, while still allowing a second rogue to have whatever rank of Deadly he wants to use. It's obvious that the game is capable of doing this with little difficulty. And this apparently worked correctly in the past since no one seems to have complained about this issue before WOTLK.

Wound poison is no longer reseting the timer on the debuff when it procs, this isn't a big impact PvE wise but for PvP it's huge.

I just tested this and it does reset the timer as normal. However, I have noticed over the last few days that my Wound Poison debuff would fall off frequently, even though I had that poison on both weapons. After giving it some consideration, the chance of a 50% proc chance poison not refreshing in a 15 second window despite being applied to both weapons would be ridiculously low. However I hadn't considered this point at the time, so I am not 100% sure that this is what I was experiencing.

In any case, as of right now, Wound Poison is working correctly (on my realm, at least).

I'm 100% sure wound doesn't reset the timer (atleast not vs dummies) since I'm sitting with double wound spamming shiv and the timer keeps going until the wound falls off, and then reapplies on the next proc, both bosses and normal dummies. Might be some PvE only thing maybe?

My original test was against a mob in Storm Peaks since that's where I was at the time of reading your post. I've also tried it on a test dummy just now and Wound Poison works fine for me. My assumption is that Blizzard has already hot-fixed this issue on my realm, but not yet on yours.

I don't think this is entirely correct. I've been attepting to use Spree to avoid other types of attacks, on the assumption that you are untargettable. Last night, I managed to get myself webbed by Maexxna in the middle of a Spree. The interesting side effect of this is that instead of being webbed to the wall, I was webbed underneath the boss. My guild was pretty suprised when I called this one out in vent.

Turn the Tables has always been able to proc off your own dodges and parries, since patch 3.02.