PessimiStick

Someone posted this WWS on the official forums yesterday in a thread asking about solo HAT.

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I'm planning to go back to HAT on Tuesday for Naxx as well, and I had an extremely solid parse last week as Mut. I was 60 DPS over where the spreadsheet had me for my gear/fight duration/etc, so if I can beat that parse as HAT by any significant amount I'd be pretty convinced, when you combine that result with the above WWS.

 

• Neto-

Did he specify his group composition? I assume he was with 3 hunters, but the fourth group member would be useful (I want to sanity check the finisher:crits ratio).

 

PessimiStick

He didn't list group comp. Hunters is a given (and he had Call of the Wild once) but I'm assuming the 4th would be the Enh. Shaman.

 

Pyriana

I was thinking that or fury warrior, both I think are pretty close in comparison, I've run either/or myself.

Doing it from behind since 1999.

 

Aarcani

I havn't tested it yet, but wouldn't AToL be pretty godly in a HaT build?

 

xmod2

Myself and two other rogues in the guild respecced HaT for Naxx25 and Sarth25 last night.

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Group comp for most of the fights was Virulent/Crimshaw/Rahvah for rogues. Andarius/Wegner in other two spots, both +30% crit unbuffed. This wasn't 100% but was def the case for Sartharion.

Virulent and Crimshaw are PvE rogues, Rahvah is PvP.

My DPS was higher on Sartharion without using rupture than on Patchwerk using Rupture. This was my build http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?rogu...h=000000000000 which includes the rupture talents. I missed rupture during Sartharion as it was my first fight as HaT and I was still trying to get a decent rotation down.

I noticed that sometimes my combo points would seem to stall early in the fight, and a hemo or two would get them moving. Also, target didn't seem to matter, as I had Grob targeted while he was at the top of the ramp as the raid finished his trash and I had a full 5 points up on him for the pull.

 

Professor Hurt

Target DOES matter, it just has to be YOUR target (you won't build on non-selected mobs, and the CPs aren't transferrable). In other words, you will gain combo points on your target no matter which target one of your party members is damaging.

 

• Vulajin

It would be worth 145 crit rating. Mirror of Truth's equip effect alone gives more than half of that, let alone the proc. Other Wrath trinkets are the same way. AToL is obsolete.

 

Synge

If you use Clique (or a similarly functioned addon like HealBot) you can also just pull the unit frames for the tank(s) out and use the following macro that is bound to any mouse-click on the unit frame:

/cast [target=mouseover] Tricks of the Trade

Pretty useful in the event that the main tank dies and want to help the off-tank quickly build up some aggro without having to panic and set a new focus.

Example (using Clique):

• I setup a custom macro in Clique, on Left-Click, to use the previously mentioned macro
• Main Tank and two Off-Tank unit frames are pulled out to be visible at all times
• I Left-Click on the Main Tank to cast Tricks of the Trade on him (without dropping target)
• Next go around, the main tank dies and I immediately see an aggro notifier on the next tank who managed to pick up
• I Left-Click on that tank's unit frame to cast Tricks of the Trade on him (again, without dropping target)

 

Synthetic703

With imp expose armor would you gain 10 energy every time that you use it, and if so would it be helpful to use EA when you have 4 or 5 cp and you are waiting for energy?

 

songster

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• Aldriana

Because with Improved Expose Armor and Relentless Strikes, you do. It just comes and the cost of 5 combo points, which are worth rather more. Plus, putting up Imp Expose at random times can screw up other people in the raid - if someone else is assigned to do it, or if a tank is trying to sunder, or whatever, it can be very bad. So in general, this is a bad idea.

 

Eredia

Hello!

I'm sorry if this is common knowledge by now, but I didn't read any blue forum posts about this yet. I had a chat with a GM 2 days ago regarding a completely different topic. But since he seemed like a guy with alot of knowledge about the game himself I decided to talk to him about HaT in it's current form.



Now, we don't know if it's fixing the problem like they did with vanish since beta, or if they are actually gonna make some drastic change in the talents code to prevent the rogue from getting a massive ammount of CP.

 

saedo

Yea Ghostcrawler mentioned it a bit a few days ago too: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Nerf or fix rogue HAT spec

 

Magladena

Yeah that's my parse quoted there.
Group comp was 3 BM hunters, Enhancement shaman.

 

nsx

Hey guys,

I'm new here and i have a question regarding Eviscerate.

I was in a 25 man naxx with this other HAT rogue and my Eviscerate's total damage is so low compared to his and I'm wondering why.....

My weapons : 2x paper cutter with mongoose.
My AP: 3518 unbuff
My Hit: 288
My Crit: 31% unbuff

Other rogue's weapons:MH Calamity's Grasp OH Twilight Mist both with Titanium weapon chain.
His AP: 3251 unbuff
His Hit: 507
His Crit: 27.43% unbuff

Both with same expertise

On the recount data DPS scales here's what the result is:

My Eviscerate 570, Damage - 2580780
Crit - 220
Hit - 299

Other rogue's Eviscerate 483, Damage - 2994441
Crit - 170
Hit - 300

I thought Eviscerate's damage doesn't matter what weapons you use the damage should be the same if I'm correct

But the meter is telling me something, I executed 570 Eviscerate and He did 483 and his Eviscerate's damage is higher than mine.....so I don't get why. Please help me out here =)

 

saedo

A WWS would help more. It could very well be that Recount is wrong. Could be a fluke. Could be buffs. Could be forgot to train ranks. Could using less combo points.

 

nsx

Recount could be wrong?

It can't be the combo points i always execute at 5 CP for the 25 energy regen bonus.

Lol ranks is max =) buffs same buffs we're in same raid.

 

henslaved

I've looked through this thread but haven't found the answer I'm looking for.

Is there an agreed upon best spec for HAT? Is Blade Flurry with Prep glyph superior to 1 point in Malice? Is 1 point in Malice superior to 1 point in Aggression?

 

saedo

It could. It's completely wrong on sword spec procs, and probably imperfect with other things too. Buffs may not be the same. Sure raid buffs. But the others, like trinket procs, flasks, food, etc.

 

ivanbss

Im using 2 papper cutters, and sometimes on 5 mans i need to use a Combo builder even with HaT build

Wich is the best option ? Shiv (33 Energy+poison proc) ? Hemo (35 Energy +debuff) ?

i dont have improved Sinister

 

saedo

It's not likely taking advantage of this bug in a 5 man. Slap on a Fist weapon or something and hemo I suppose.

 

nsx

Buffs should be same both on feast and flasks of endless rages

Trinkets both with Mirror of Truth

My 2nd is Meteorite Whetstone

His 2nd Sphere's of Red Dragon's Blood

 

ivanbss

Yeah, but maybe w/o the bug, HaT build worth it. Ivé tryed Mult and Combat for 5-10 man...and HaT still 300-500 DPS ahead from the others...

and you´re right about the MH weapon, thx !

 

ILikeUrBack

Does he have a meta that happens to be Relentless Earthsiege Diamond?