For my own reasons, using the combat and mutilate sheets, I put together two draft BiS lists for me (in the context of my guild), with the following significant caveats:

* Includes only non-heroic ICC gear (i.e. all we'll have available until arthas is killed). Also does not include ToC 25 Heroic gear (my guild was never able to clear that content, and won't bother trying now; I'm guessing others may be in a similar boat).
* I am a LW/skinner - so some options may be different if you have other professions. Hopefully the gear won't change, just the gemming/enchanting, but I haven't bothered trying to find out.
* I've put the options back at what I think the defaults are, but if not, YMMV when comparing DPS numbers.
* I have it set to AP food for fish feasts, even when ArPen food might be slightly better.
* Obviously, it also does not include the items which are not yet modeled in these sheets (heartpierce and abomination in a bottle, most relevantly).

I am less sure about the Mutilate list than the combat one – mutilate required hefty amounts of regemming between every switch (sometimes for expertise, sometimes hit for crit cap, sometimes haste, sometimes AP), so I may have missed something somewhere. Combat was a little more straightforward (red expertise up to cap, then ArPen; yellow a mix of hit, haste, or AP but could be done last and just by following suggestions).

Anyway, hopefully this might be useful for some others out there. If there are any corrections or improvements I am happy to hear about them.

** indicates a piece which is different between the Combat and Mutilate builds

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[edit: The tooltip links here appear to always select the heroic versions of these items, because the lookup is done based on name (or at least, that is how I did it here, with [item] tags). If you download the spreadsheets, you'll note that I have chosen only non-heroic versions.]

Combat: 11677 DPS (Download Combat_1.4.1bis.xls)
[Sanctified Shadowblade Helmet]
[Sindragosa's Cruel Claw] **
[Sanctified Shadowblade Pauldrons]
[Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak]
[Sanctified Shadowblade Breastplate] **
[Toskk's Maximized Wristguards]
[Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy] **
[Vengeful Noose]
[Sanctified Shadowblade Legplates]
[Frostbitten Fur Boots]
[Frostbrood Sapphire Ring] **
[Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance]
[Herkuml War Token]
[Deathbringer's Will] **
[Bloodvenom Blade] **
[Scourgeborne Waraxe] **
[Shrapnel Star]

Note that you are soft crit capping because of the DBW trinket.

However, with a pretty minimal loss of about 16 DPS (~0.1%), you could switch out the chest and leg tier pieces for something almost as good, if tokens or emblems are the limiting factor for you (as I'm guessing they may be for some).
[Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder]
[Bladeborn Leggings]
And then trade out some hit gems for some expertise I think it was.

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Mutilate: 12593 DPS (Download Mutilate_1.2.1bis.xls)
[Sanctified Shadowblade Helmet]
[Wodin's Lucky Necklace] **
[Sanctified Shadowblade Pauldrons]
[Shadowvault Slayer's Cloak]
[Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder] **
[Toskk's Maximized Wristguards]
[Sanctified Shadowblade Gauntlets] **
[Vengeful Noose]
[Sanctified Shadowblade Legplates]
[Frostbitten Fur Boots]
[Band of the Bone Colossus] **
[Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance]
[Whispering Fanged Skull] **
[Herkuml War Token]
[Rib Spreader] **
[Lungbreaker] **
[Shrapnel Star]

Interestingly, I couldn't find any 2-piece gear set that was as close to the 4-piece set as was possible with combat - the closest I came was maybe 50 or 60 dps difference. Maybe I just missed a combination though - as mentioned above, switching the set pieces around caused substantial gemming changes to be required for each combination tested, and I just gave up on some where the dps difference that needed to be overcome was extremely large (200-300 or more).

[Drape of the Faceless General] has wrong stats (pre 3.2.2 stats).

First, as all new posters; thanks for all the time and effort put into this forum!
Just have a quick question that I couldn't find an answer too.
Is anyone planning to test (and maybe add to the ss) "Mark of Norgannon" again now that haste is so much better for mutilate? I kinda stumbled upon this trinket when doing the weekly with my guild and decided to keep it.
Been using it in raids since then at times and it seems to be an upgrade over darkmoon card/Victor's Call, at least in certain situations/encounters.
But I don't have either time nor the know-how to actually test it properly, hence my question.
Happy new year!

It's an on-use trinket so it doesn't really need any testing. You can add it yourself as a trinket with 69 Expertise and 81.3 (491/6) haste. What you'll find is that it comes out slightly behind Grim Toll, and well behind both badge trinkets.

Which means that, realistically, no rogue that's been 80 for more than a few weeks should even be considering it.

Yes, in fact, it should. Emblems of Frost are easily obtained and with Herkumi War Token so strong no real rogue should be caught dead with Mark of Norgannom...

Im in more or less the same situation of adding gear thats not included by default. And im getting the same error when the rank is calculated. Also, the new items i add arent included in the drop down list in the equipment tab. I've looked over the formulas a few times now and cant seem to find the problem.

Help is greatly appriciated.
Thanks!

/BS

Make sure you add items in the middle of the existing list for a given slot. Don't add them at the end or the beginning or it might not add them to the range of possible items in the dropwdown list. So, say for a helmet, insert a row in the middle of the other helms, copy the entire line for one of the other helms and paste it in the new row. This ensures the formulas are copied correctly. Then just edit what needs changed. Don't forget the zone column which indicates where an item comes from. Valid entries are what's listed in Zone Filters on the Equipment sheet. Or just force the last column to 1 for the item you're adding, to make it visible in the dropdown list.

I chose heroic Icefall Blade for the moment since it didn't have any hit or expertise which would complicate itemization around the exp/hit caps.

I found the best temporary solution is to just add a new dagger to the sheet with Heartpierce's stats but no proc. You can figure your spreadsheet dps should be slightly higher than what is shown but by doing it this way you're not changing your caps. I first used Twin Spike as well but it started suggesting I gem even more hit than I already need due to the agility, after making a new dagger my caps were more accurate and I was recommended the appropriate gems and upgrades.

If you don't know how to add an item there are countless other posts explaining how to do it. I don't think there is any dagger already in the sheet that can be used in "substitution" for Heartpierce as it's a pretty unique weapon.

Updated the latest versions of Aldrian's Spreadsheets with my modifcations, also added the ability to put the hacked in Troll/Orc Racials as well as the Skinning Tradeskill in both BS and Ring Enchant Slots.



Combat_1.4.1_Modified.xls
Mutilate_1.2.1_Modified.xls

It would be nice if you gave some examples of these discrepancies.