Thanks for your tips. Wouldn't Namlak's Supernumerary Sticker an option for the offhand? And should I go for double SR for 3.1?

Actually, based on the name I believe they knew exactly what they were doing.

In 3.1, an IP/DP/Envenom (IDN) setup will still want a fast offhand to build DP stacks from what I'm reading. This is because DP is not going to be a ppm, but still a chance on attack.

If you go with an IP/IP/Evis (IIV) setup, then dual SRs will be BiS (until potential Ulduar daggers appear) according to this post from Aldriana.

However, keep in mind that IIV is still undergoing a lot of tests, and parts of the build are broken.

Maybe I am confused, or just haven't been keeping up with the forums as much as I should recently. But, I am under the impression that you want a *fast* MH weapon currently, for faster IP procs. Wouldn't the idea here be to put LPC in your MH and SR in your OH? My understanding was that until IP procs are normalized to weapon speed and since IP can proc off finishers a faster wep MH would be superior to slow wep MH (for fights longer than ~180 seconds). Of course once 3.1 comes out the best combo would be something like SR MH, WD (maybe murder) OH.


Edit: To be sure I just plugged it into the spreadsheet (both with BiS and my current gear, save for weapons) and if you only have one fast weapon (WE, Murder, LPC) and one slow weapons (SR, didn't try with others), currently you will come out on top with fast MH (IP) slow OH (DP) with IP/DP setup. I feel like I am missing some bigger issue that was discussed earlier, but I can't seem to find it.

However, since you can obtain a second LPC without much trouble, you might be better off with LPC/LPC.
At least until 3.1

New change that you get 25% more armor penetration per rating point.

A very brief look over the effects of this change, I don't see any items that are currently optimal becoming not so due to these changes. The largest effects seems to be to the Malygos25 BP and Sapphiron Quest necklace, both of which just get even stronger. Aged Winter Cloak is now a slightly more palatable option while waiting for the Kel"Thuzad cloak, and I haven't had time to check into how it affect Grim Toll vs Mirror/Fury.

Given that it's highly unclear how ArPen, Sunders, and Faerie Fire stack (see here), it's sort of hard to do ArPen modeling at this point. We'll need to do some testing on PTR to see if the stacking mechanics have been sorted out yet to determine what this means in practice; but yes, it is likely to increase the value of Grim Toll.

Unclear. The energy return from Focused Attacks is significant, and offsets the effect of the harder hitting Mutilates. I don't have a version of the spreadsheet that includes the Envenom glyph. What I do have is a version that has IP on a PPM model. What we can do is look at the effect of weapon speed using dual IP in this sheet. This has the same effect as the Envenom glyph (i.e. it makes your poison DPS stay the same irrespective of weapon speed), and so it will tell us how the weapon speed / Mutilate / FA interaction pans out.

So, I looked in this version of the sheet, and used Webbed Death (1.4), Murder (1.5) or Twilight Mist (1.8) in main hand or offhand. The results were that the MH has a slight preference for slow weapons, with about 1% total DPS difference between WD and TM. The offhand is completely unaffected by weapon speed: there is a total of 7 DPS variation between the three weapons, or ~0.12% damage. The harder hitting Mutilates are exactly cancelled by the increased damage from FA procs.

And when you take into account that Sinister Revenge is 171 DPS, you can probably pretty safely say that with the Envenom glyph, 2x Sinister Revenge will be the best combo.

The numbers for what is effectively glyphed Envenom were run here, and the findings were that the general approach favors slow MHs slightly and fast OHs slightly, though weapon damage is more important than either effect. This, however, presupposes that we continue doing 4+ Envenom/Rupture cycles, which may not be the case; I'd suggest that further discussion of these facts be moved to the 3.1 changes thread, as it has very little to do with this spreadsheet specifically, and there's some good discussion about that topic there already.

Use the spreadsheet to check for your own gear. It will be quite borderline as to whether LPC/LPC is better than LPC/SR, and nobody can give you a definite answer. No other combinations are worth considering.