Eternal Belt Buckle gives a 32 score for one red gem which in turn allows you to put one more red gem in down below in the gem section. Would this then be doubling the bonus of the Eternal Belt Buckle? Sorry if this is a stupid question.... just trying to help.

The score is just the EP value of the thing. It's not adding to your stats/dps. What you should see to the right is that it triggers a Red Slot. That's what you have to fulfill in the gem section.

In previous iterations of various spreadsheets I've modeled it; it's generally inferior by a fair amount. Hence, I didn't bother to include it this time because, quite frankly, I don't have a lot of sympathy for any serious raiding rogue that hasn't managed to get Mirror of Truth and Darkmoon Card: Greatness yet - thus, no trinket significantly inferior to those two needs to be included.

Is there an EP value assigned to the (4) piece set bonus for the T7 gear? I have the set bonus now, but have gotten some upgrades (as far as per piece ep value goes) and was wondering what the offset will be for losing the set bonus so I can subtract it from the gain in ep value?

The T7 bonuses are included on set pieces in the sheet, as are the T8 bonuses (see columns W and X for the Combat sheet). If you switch the individual pieces, it will automatically take this into account.

A updated version of the combat sheet with all the new items, modeling for same, and a few bug fixes is up. There will be a similar Mutilate version at some point - but, as the combat sheet is basically working, I figured I'd let people start using it rather than waiting for the Mutilate sheet to get finished.

I'm trying to add an Offhand, Librarians Paper cutter. I copy the formulas behind the scenes, put in the stats, and it seems to go well - until I take out the 1 in the equip column for the default dagger and move it to my dagger. at that point #div/0 (Divide by zero) appears everywhere and a few #Ref errors, too.
Help?

The sheet is defaulted to sword spec. I found after swapping sword spec to CQC, I get expected values for Fists/Daggers vs Swords.

In the new mutilate sheet, is it possible for you to include modelling for a serrated blades based mutilate build? With 4pc t8.5, this may (or may not) prove viable.

On Swords vs CQC: The sheet starts with my gear and spec in it. When the last version came out, I was fist/dagger. Now, I'm using swords. I realize this may be a bit confusing, but, ultimately, all of this is primarily for my own convenience, so if you don't like it you can write your own spreadsheet .

Regarding Paper Cutter: there are no competitive weapons that are 1.3 speed, so I haven't bothered to model them. I may add this at some point. I may not. We'll see.

Regarding Serrated Blades builds: maybe. For the moment I'm focusing mostly on new gear and bug fixes - significant modeling changes may end up waiting. That said, that one should be easy, so I may do it anyway.

Hello, first time poster, long time reader as i heard someone say before

Anyhow totally noob kinda question, im combat speced, fist/dagger 15/51/5 with 5 point in CQC ofc, BiS T7. using the combat spreadsheet i was just wondering for a single item, now i have [Envoy of Mortality] in ranged, but gotten the [Rising Sun] last night. Now whats confusing me is that stats wise envoy is better?, but the spreadsheet shows just a little more dps with the rising sun.
or is hit rating worth it? with rising sun i have hit 274 isnt that too much? and yet shows dps increase with rising sun.

Basicaly im asking whats better for me rising sun or envoy of mortality? or should i just wait for [Giant's Bane] or [Twirling Blades] ?

also [Cindershard Ring] dropped could not check it in spreadsheet because its not in it but it seems to be almost BiS for combat rogue? i hacked some other ring and put in the stats from cindershard it seems to be a good boost.

i know im missing something here regarding the 3.1 and changes to rogues, pre 3.1 i had it all worked out regarding which items to take how to upgrade my gear gems all of it.. now its a bit confusing... thats why im posting thanks

After looking at the new mutilate spreadsheet i've noticed since ArP is now being put into the equasion would it be better to add the titanium impact band (extra socket meaning 49 agi is attainable or even 60 with a prismatic gem) outdoing most of the other rings available, especially since you can gain a nice amount of hit rating from your average Ulduar 10 or Naxx 25.

With Grim Toll procs i'm actually hitting around 800 ArP during boss fights which could be more with the ArP buff food, which brings into question if you're sitting around the same ArP as i am would it be worth dropping 80ap food for 40 arp or is it not worth it until that 40arp will cap you at 1039

I know this doesn't answer your specific question but I felt it was worth pointing out that there is no ArPen cap. Not only does ArPen continue to reduce armor after the tooltip reads '100%' but mobs can actually be reduced to negative armor values given enough ArPen and debuffing.

The new sheet has me <1 dps lower than the old one, and plugging in Malice/Hailstorm over CG/WD with the appropriate specs in both sheet raises my dps by around 30 dps, again <1 dps lower in the new sheet. I don't think anything has really changed except for there now being weapons to keep sword spec competitive. Once people start getting their Golden Saronite Dragons though, I think it's going to go back to how it was (unless there is a sword with similar stats I don't know about). That and the new 4 piece bonus, with a 5% crit increase affecting rupture as well.

I looked over the combat sheet and noticed the following:

Missing Items
Seed of Budding Carnage (Neck)
Deliverance (Ranged)
Caress of Insanity (MH Mace)
Void Sabre (OH Sword)

Typos/Errors
Broach of the Wailing Night (Neck) - Should be 46 ArP
Conqueror's Terrorblade Breastplate (Chest) - Should be 90 Stam
Soul Devouring Cinch (Waist) - Should be 126 AP
Mjjolhir Runestone (Trinket) - Bug somewhere as its hard to believe 83 Hit -> 103 Crit gives ~150 higher score with the same proc (unless it has been discovered the ICD is much lower than Grim Toll)

Thanks for this useful tool!

The tooltip for Runestone isn't correct, it actually procs for more ArP than Grim Toll.

As people have noted: Mjolnir Runestone and Grim Toll synergize each other, and using both together is far more powerful than using either with some other trinket. I have a model of this behavior that I'm relatively happy with which is included in the new combat sheet; note, however, that the degree of synergy depends on fight length, which is why that parameter is included - the longer the fight goes, the more likely it is that the two trinkets get somewhat out of sync.

And, assuming this model is at all valid, we note that:

1) Grim Toll and Mjolnir Runestone are the two best trinkets for combat even disregarding the synergy, and
2) There's about 100 AP benefit above and beyond that from the synergy between them.

As an additional interesting consequence of this: utilizing both significantly increases the value of ArPen, pushing it above 2 in most cases and *significantly* above 2 with BIS gear (with the highest DPS setup I have found, the EP value of ArPen goes up to 2.3) - meaning stacking ArPen is, in the long run, going to be the way to go.

Note, however, that this is based on our current understanding of ArPen mechanics - particularly the fact that there has not yet been discovered an ArPen cap. While testing has been done past the cap, stacking ArPen in the long run proves to put us significantly further past the cap than has been tested - there are gear sets that hit 1800 ArPen with both trinkets proccing. And if that caps out at some point (or is hotfixed to do so), stacking ArPen will become a somewhat less viable strategy.

Great Combat sheet; looking forward to the Mutilate one.

One question though: When you have the T8 4pc bonus the value of the Rupture glyph doesn't adjust. I know that it simply increases the duration, but with crits in the mix shouldn't the value increase?

Keep up the good work!!

Oh. Right. That. I thought I'd actually taken that out by now.

Basically, in an earlier revision of the sheet I manually checked the value of each glyph and used the adjacent column to take notes on the value of each. So that's not actually a calculation - it's just notes based on what particular combination of gear and spec. I've been meaning to delete it, but I guess I forgot to do so. I'll be taking it out for the next release - which will probably be pretty soon, to make the itemizaxtion corrections listed by DMM above.

Aldiana, can you please consider adding the Executioner enchant along with the others in the next update of the spreadsheet? ArPen seems to offer interesting things when it stacks up. Also there is a big chance that this proc will be up along with the ArPen trinkets if the fight is short.

Probably not, actually. I've considered adding it, but it'd be a serious nuisance to do so, and my off-the-cuff estimates indicate it's pretty unlikely to ever be worth considering, so I haven't bothered.

I mean, consider the EP value of the proc when up. The highest EP value I've seen for ArPen in the sheet is around 2.3; even assuming it makes it as high as 2.5 - heck, even if it makes it as high as 3 - the value of the executioner proc would be 3*120 = 360, which is still less than the 400 from berserking. So I'm just not seeing how it would ever be worth it.

If I remember correctly, spreadsheets prior to 3.1 including t6 and, again going on memory, Slayer wrists and belt performed comparably to Naxx BiS. With the change to Lightning Reflexes, I'd be interested to see where they fall now.