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Old 06/12/09, 5:53 AM   #841
Feist-Mok
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Originally Posted by Wytryszek View Post
Btw, which fight in Ulduar would be best to do a Patchwerk-type DPS check? From what I saw of Ulduar so far I would say it's Ignis - but it's still not ideal.
XT-002 Deconstructor hard mode is probably the single best sustained throughput test for melee DPS. So long as someone doesn't get shat all over by bomb RNG, you can get some pretty nice numbers out of it, particularly because the fight is so very very long.

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Old 06/12/09, 6:07 AM   #842
Liquoid
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Steelbreaker is also somewhat a decent example. (That is, Council Hardmode's phase three)

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Old 06/12/09, 6:10 AM   #843
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Originally Posted by Liquoid View Post
Steelbreaker is also somewhat a decent example. (That is, Council Hardmode's phase three)
Except that, at 90 seconds to 2 minutes, it falls into a lot of the same traps that Patchwerk does (very high heroism and cooldown uptime among other issues)

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Old 06/12/09, 6:19 AM   #844
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Originally Posted by Marieth View Post
Yo can not compare dps on XT, bad luck with bombs basically ruins any chance of comparison. It can only be viable if neither of you got any bombs and did not had to move.

Generally you can trust the spreadsheets. Of course on any given fight your results may vary, because of RNG or whatever. I have always trusted the spreadsheet and over the long run always seen the dps (more or less) the sheet was telling me.
Just saying the sheet is wrong because of one fight (and with an damage modificator on top) is just stupid.
You can be assured that i took those details into consideration, and i did say i've seen it on almost all the fights i've done with the respective spec. And i didn't say the sheet is wrong, im just saying i do not get it, maybe i'm missing something.

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Old 06/12/09, 7:14 AM   #845
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I get the feeling I'm doing something wrong or misinterpreting something but I can't find out what so please bear with me.

I'm 15/51/5 CQC now and I wanted to see how the base scores for MH in the spread sheet would differ when I went sword and mace spec. I didn't touch anything else and just moved the 5 points around from CQC to sword and to mace in order to observe how the base score in the gear sheet would change. Here is what I got:

MHCQCSwordMace
Golden Saronite Dragon1.5271.5181.518
Insanity's Grip1.4521.4471.447
Furious Gladiator's Grasp1.3801.3721.372
The Masticator1.4631.4561.456
Calamity's Grasp1.3911.3851.385
Furious Gladiator's Longblade1.1421.5951.372
Serilas, Blood Blade of Invar One-Arm1.1961.6521.428
Malice 1.1811.6361.413
Razorscale Talon1.0801.5361.312
Vulmir, the Northern Tempest1.2091.4411.708
Caress of Insanity1.2441.4731.740
Furious Gladiator's Truncheon1.1421.3721.639

Edit: Thanks to Tinwhisker I have updated the table. With CQC fist weapons have best score (duh). I swap the 5 points to sword spec and as expected swords become much better but here are two things: Fists only lost a couple points where as swords gained hundreds and also maces score much better with sword spec

Than I put the 5 points to mace spec and maces became the king (vulmir & caress are so much better than any other weapon [fist or sword with appropriate spec] btw). Fists didn't change at all, stayed where they were with sword spec. Swords got worse but they didn't go back to their values they had with fist spec but stayed in between instead.

Is this really a bug or am I missing something?

Last edited by candlegarden : 06/12/09 at 9:44 AM.

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Old 06/12/09, 10:02 AM   #846
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Hello,

I apologize if this has been discussed before; however, is there a way to see which raid buffs are being included in the spreadsheets? I vaguely recall that someone mentioned that Aldriana had inputted the buffs that are common within raids and I would just like to know what they are. Thank you.

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Old 06/12/09, 11:11 AM   #847
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Originally Posted by Feist-Mok View Post
XT-002 Deconstructor hard mode is probably the single best sustained throughput test for melee DPS. So long as someone doesn't get shat all over by bomb RNG, you can get some pretty nice numbers out of it, particularly because the fight is so very very long.
That depends on your guild's strat... it could be a terrible judge.

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Old 06/12/09, 11:16 AM   #848
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Originally Posted by Leto View Post
That depends on your guild's strat... it could be a terrible judge.
I'm assuming you mean if your guild puts melee on Life Sparks? If so, yeah, of course it's terrible.

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Old 06/12/09, 11:19 AM   #849
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Originally Posted by candlegarden View Post
I didn't touch anything else and just moved the 5 points around from CQC to sword and to mace in order to observe how the base score in the gear sheet would change.

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Is this really a bug or am I missing something?
What offhand were you using for the comparisons?

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Old 06/12/09, 1:17 PM   #850
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Originally Posted by candlegarden View Post
Is this really a bug or am I missing something?
Like Tetracycloide said, your OH choice is what really makes or breaks a spec. With Swords, there is a decent OH which makes it competitive with CQC (Remorse), but with Maces, there really isnt anything availible for the OH that will make Maces competitive.

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Old 06/12/09, 3:48 PM   #851
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Originally Posted by Xaoc View Post
Like Tetracycloide said, your OH choice is what really makes or breaks a spec. With Swords, there is a decent OH which makes it competitive with CQC (Remorse), but with Maces, there really isnt anything availible for the OH that will make Maces competitive.
I don't know that I would consider Remorse that much better than Stonerender. Both are 1.5 speed with fairly comparable stats -- both have similar amounts of Agi, Haste, and AP. The sword has Expertise while the mace has Crit. Sword spec doesn't help while using Fan of Knives (to my knowledge), but maces do get their 15% armor penetration. Are you sure you don't mean Void Sabre or Rune-Etched Nightblade? Those are the swords that seem to break from the mold, because of the gem socket and faster attack speed, respectively.

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Old 06/12/09, 4:46 PM   #852
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Originally Posted by tedoubledy View Post
Hello,

I apologize if this has been discussed before; however, is there a way to see which raid buffs are being included in the spreadsheets? I vaguely recall that someone mentioned that Aldriana had inputted the buffs that are common within raids and I would just like to know what they are. Thank you.

I believe raid buffs such as that are hard coded into his sheet assuming you have them all at any given time. Someone can correct me if i am wrong but i believe that is still how he does it.

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Old 06/12/09, 5:05 PM   #853
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Check to make sure you have the most recent sheet. There is no updated Mutilate SS as far as I know (at least not from Aldriana), but the combat sheet allows you to turn on/off raid buffs in the settings tab.

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Old 06/12/09, 9:01 PM   #854
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If you go back one page you'll see the modified version of the mutilate spreadsheet I've done which allows you to toggle all the same buffs as the combat spreadsheet.

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Old 06/15/09, 9:55 AM   #855
Barlo
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Originally Posted by Kitteh View Post
Pretty sure they hotfixed it.

Aldriana, as far as the BS sockets goes I did the following, not sure if this will mess with anything or not but it LOOKS fine.

Adding Blacksmith Socket Instructions
Do the steps in order or things will be VERY out of place......
My skills with Excel are severely limited and as simple as this sounds; its beyond me. Any chance you could post a version with the Blacksmithing options in place?

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