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Old 08/24/09, 4:30 AM   #1096
• Aldriana
Mike Tyson
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Doomhammer
Um, wrong. The cycle being computed is not 5s5r5e, nor any particularly close variant thereof. Again, I will explain what the cycles actually are in due time, and if you're sufficiently clever you might be able to deduce it from the calculations, but it's *not* anything simple like 5s5r5e. Largely because, given the current nature of combat rotations, it's not even meaningful to speak of "5s5r5e" as though it were an actual cycle.

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Old 08/24/09, 10:33 AM   #1097
and
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Draenor (EU)
More items

Good Afternoon!
Thanks for your precious work, Aldriana, I do appreciate it and I have simple request. It would be possible to add a couple of blank rows so that I can insert items not already present into your sheet? I know it is intended for BiS gear only but it could be nice to use it for TotC items and maybe something older. I tried to add new rows but it looks to break things...
Thanks in advance.

Last edited by and : 08/25/09 at 2:53 AM.

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Old 08/24/09, 11:57 AM   #1098
Rahdik
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Earthen Ring
Originally Posted by and View Post
Good Afternoon!
Thanks for your precious work, Aldriana, I do appreciate it and I have simple request. It would be possible to add a couple of blank rows so that I can insert items not already present into your sheet? I know it is intended for BiS gear only but it could be nice to use it for TotC items and maybe something older. I tried to add new rows but it looks to break things...
Thanks in advance.

And
Add the new row in the middle of the already existing items. Adding a new row at the top of the list can screw things up.

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Old 08/24/09, 7:39 PM   #1099
Furtim
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Kargath
Originally Posted by Aldriana View Post
Um, wrong. The cycle being computed is not 5s5r5e, nor any particularly close variant thereof. Again, I will explain what the cycles actually are in due time, and if you're sufficiently clever you might be able to deduce it from the calculations, but it's *not* anything simple like 5s5r5e. Largely because, given the current nature of combat rotations, it's not even meaningful to speak of "5s5r5e" as though it were an actual cycle.
Ah, was going off of what it was showing in the calcs sheet, and having it just show what was being listed in those cells that were being referenced in the default 1.3 beta.

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Old 08/24/09, 11:54 PM   #1100
Psorrf
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Rogue
 
Uldum
I've been using the Aldriana's 1.2 combat spreadsheet since I started getting a decent assortment of ArP gear. I resocketed to ArP as per my armory. According to 1.2 if I resocket all ArP gems to Agi my dps drops by about 30dps. Bearing in mind I do not have BiS, using Grim Toll & Banner, ArP food, etc I have 609 passive armour penetration.

After downloading and inputing my gear into 1.3 (and yes I am aware that it is a beta) there is an overall drop of approx 90dps from my current setup. Additionally a resocket from ArP to Agi gives a boost of approx 30dps, as opposed to version 1.2 indicating a drop of 30dps (swapping Banner for DMC:G and using AP food).

I'm not going to rush out and resocket everything immediately, just wondering if this discrepancy is in a re-weighting of stats, or something I'm missing in the spreadsheet.

Thanks.

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Old 08/25/09, 2:53 PM   #1101
Hider
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Alleria
Rupture Uptime

I believe the spreadsheet assumes 100% uptime on Rupture. Is it possible to adjust that number to say, 50% and see what effect that will have on stats, set bonuses, etc.?

My guild is short on warriors right now, so I'm running expose in nearly every encounter. This has a negative effect on my rupture uptime.

Thanks.

Edit: The combat spreadsheet.

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Old 08/25/09, 3:02 PM   #1102
Mideci
Great Tiger
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Stormrage
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe the spreadsheet assumes 100% rupture uptime due to the fact it's not really possible to have 100% rupture uptime.

I imagine in your case your lower rupture uptime will alter relative stat values on gear. One good take away is that small-ish upgrades or downgrades might be the opposite for you of what the sheet claims. So you might want to be more concerned about the clearer cut ones.

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Old 08/25/09, 3:47 PM   #1103
Mierâ
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Arthas (EU)
Spreadsheets

Do i miss in both Spreadsheets the Etched Ring of th Kirin´thor, or am i wrong?

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Old 08/25/09, 3:57 PM   #1104
saedo
King Hippo
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Gorgonnash
Originally Posted by Mierâ View Post
Do i miss in both Spreadsheets the Etched Ring of th Kirin´thor, or am i wrong?
It's at the bottom of the list in the combat sheet.

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Old 08/25/09, 4:51 PM   #1105
• Aldriana
Mike Tyson
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Doomhammer
1.2 Combat sheet models about 80% rupture uptime. 1.3 models about 95% uptime if you have T8 4/5 and more like 70% otherwise. In both cases this value is computed rather than assumed.

Also note that if you're Exposing frequently, that's mostly going to hurt your Eviscerate damage and shouldn't actually reduce your rupture uptime *too* much. I mean, it'll go down some, but it shouldn't go down very much.

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Old 08/25/09, 11:51 PM   #1106
Teromus
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Skullcrusher
Sorry if this has been answered before (I have been looking around), but I cannot seem to find out how to add items to the spreadsheet... I am trying to add Nymph Heart Charm (not really sure why it isn't there to be honest, it's not TERRIBLE :P). Thanks in advance.

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Old 08/26/09, 12:45 AM   #1107
Valustria
Banned
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Teromus View Post
Sorry if this has been answered before (I have been looking around), but I cannot seem to find out how to add items to the spreadsheet... I am trying to add Nymph Heart Charm (not really sure why it isn't there to be honest, it's not TERRIBLE :P). Thanks in advance.
If it's not on the sheet, it's probably because [Broach of the Wailing Night] is better, and Emblems of Conquest are ridiculously easy to acquire now, so there's really no reason not to have it if you don't already. Same reason trinkets weaker than the Mirror of Truth were not on the old one. /shrug

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Old 08/26/09, 10:56 AM   #1108
dinesh
Piston Honda
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Dalaran
Question: does either the 1.2 or 1.3beta version of the Combat sheet have the following options:

* You are using Tricks every time it is up (which requires energy, which could change your cycles)
* You are receiving Tricks, or a glyphed Tricks, every time it is up (affecting your DPS)
* You are receiving Hysteria (affecting your DPS)

I may be losing my mind, but I could have sworn 1.2 had the first two options in it, but looking around now I can't find it. Maybe it was Mavanas' sheet.

If it is not included, can I make that request for 1.3?

As a complete aside, does anyone know of any addon which will track and report on these things for a given fight? I don't think recount or skada track Tricks or Hysteria in any convenient way. I use Big Brother and so see Tricks being applied in passing, but it would be more convenient to be able to run a report after a boss fight and see how many times each rogue cast/received, and who got which Hysterias and how often. It would also be great to see how many Tricks damage bonuses were wasted because the target was already enraged by Hysteria or one of the other non-stacking buffs.

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Old 08/26/09, 11:11 AM   #1109
Tinwhisker
Bald Bull
 
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Dwarf Rogue
 
Scarlet Crusade
Originally Posted by dinesh View Post
Question: does either the 1.2 or 1.3beta version of the Combat sheet have the following options:

* You are using Tricks every time it is up (which requires energy, which could change your cycles)
* You are receiving Tricks, or a glyphed Tricks, every time it is up (affecting your DPS)
* You are receiving Hysteria (affecting your DPS)

I may be losing my mind, but I could have sworn 1.2 had the first two options in it, but looking around now I can't find it. Maybe it was Mavanas' sheet.

If it is not included, can I make that request for 1.3?

As a complete aside, does anyone know of any addon which will track and report on these things for a given fight? I don't think recount or skada track Tricks or Hysteria in any convenient way. I use Big Brother and so see Tricks being applied in passing, but it would be more convenient to be able to run a report after a boss fight and see how many times each rogue cast/received, and who got which Hysterias and how often. It would also be great to see how many Tricks damage bonuses were wasted because the target was already enraged by Hysteria or one of the other non-stacking buffs.
I can't be sure but I do think that Aldriana's sheets assume you are using TotT on every cooldown but my memorey is fuzzy on that and I'm not quite sure where to check for that particular thing in the sheets.

As to your second question, any of the log parsing services (WWS/WoL) will show you that information. In fact, I really like that way WoL does it. Here's a recent XT-002 kill comparing Grim Toll and DMC:G procs.


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Old 08/26/09, 11:35 AM   #1110
dinesh
Piston Honda
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Dalaran
You are right, log parsers are the only way I can think of to do it. Sadly, I meant to purposefully exclude them in my request above, as I'm looking for something that can be referred to or even reported in game (though maybe parsers are at the point now where you can upload them midstream?), or if no one remembered to start collecting the log before the pull.

Appreciate the help though. Will see if I can find anything in the calcs to support your belief that TotT is already being included.

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