Combat and Mutilate Spreadsheets (Obsolete as of 4.0.x) - Page 9

• Aldriana · 02/09/09, 7:10 AM

I ran the numbers on double-IP. Provided I didn't make any mistakes (which I'm not going to swear to, as it is late and I am about to go to sleep), swapping Turn the Tables for Improved Eviscerate and running 2xIP with eviscerate does damage almost exactly identical to the IP/DP/Envenom setup. I'll double check my numbers in the morning, but for the moment: it is not better. It is not worse. It is as close to exactly equal as you will ever see.

Mutilator · 02/09/09, 7:54 AM

Did you take the glyph of Evis into account in the above calcs Aldriana?

DarkKnight388 · 02/09/09, 7:59 AM

I was wondering about that too, but AFAIK glyph of evis is kinda standard for mutilate builds, so I think it's safe to assume he did take it into account

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Feist-Mok · 02/09/09, 8:46 AM

Originally Posted by DarkKnight388

I was wondering about that too, but AFAIK glyph of evis is kinda standard for mutilate builds, so I think it's safe to assume he did take it into account

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How is it standard? it sometimes gets left there as I reglyph from a pvp or HaT setup, but it provides no benefit to a PvE mut setup, so that slot is just as likely to end up being Glyph of Sinister Strike or Glyph of Feint.

Kukulcan · 02/09/09, 8:47 AM

i think that using evi as finisher instead of envenom, it would be pretty standard.

Feist-Mok · 02/09/09, 8:52 AM

Originally Posted by Kukulcan

i think that using evi as finisher instead of envenom, it would be pretty standard.

Sure. The question at hand is, since Aldriana admitted to being tired and having probably committed an oversight in his numbers, and since glyphs are hardcoded into the sheet, it's a reasonable question to ask - I find it unlikely that Aldriana would have had the Glyph of Eviscerate ready to go before bothering to check a double Instant Poison setup.

DarkKnight388 · 02/09/09, 8:58 AM

Originally Posted by Feist-Mok

How is it standard? it sometimes gets left there as I reglyph from a pvp or HaT setup, but it provides no benefit to a PvE mut setup, so that slot is just as likely to end up being Glyph of Sinister Strike or Glyph of Feint.

As you already stated yourself: There are no proper glyphs for that 3rd spot for Mutilate. But your best bet would be Glyph of Eviscerate for those mobs that are poison immune (yes, they do exist

). Although you could say that Glyph of Feint might also be useful now (but meh, haven't thought about dps in that aspect).

• Aldriana · 02/09/09, 11:45 AM

To clarify: yes, I was using the Eviscerate glyph. And to be clear: I don't think I "probably committed an oversight", I was just trying to warn people that these were early numbers so you shouldn't start quoting them as fact quite yet.

Feist-Mok · 02/09/09, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

To clarify: yes, I was using the Eviscerate glyph. And to be clear: I don't think I "probably committed an oversight", I was just trying to warn people that these were early numbers so you shouldn't start quoting them as fact quite yet.

'Probably' was a poor choice of words there. Should've said 'Possibly' and if one was made, the glyph was as likely as any to be it. Glad it's taken into account.

innova · 02/09/09, 1:32 PM

Originally Posted by Aldriana

I ran the numbers on double-IP. Provided I didn't make any mistakes (which I'm not going to swear to, as it is late and I am about to go to sleep), swapping Turn the Tables for Improved Eviscerate and running 2xIP with eviscerate does damage almost exactly identical to the IP/DP/Envenom setup. I'll double check my numbers in the morning, but for the moment: it is not better. It is not worse. It is as close to exactly equal as you will ever see.

For IP/IP what assumption are you making as far as the target being poisoned? If you are leeching from say a hunter's sting IP/IP/Evis may pull significantly ahead.

Blakkheim · 02/09/09, 2:51 PM

This'll be really, really interesting when it goes live. I really wish they didn't nerf Mutilate damage though, that's a shame. Could've done something else in PvP (Overkill/Vigor).

• Aldriana · 02/09/09, 6:20 PM

Originally Posted by innova

For IP/IP what assumption are you making as far as the target being poisoned? If you are leeching from say a hunter's sting IP/IP/Evis may pull significantly ahead.

No, I accounted for that too.

Shadowstab · 02/09/09, 8:10 PM

I wouldn't mind the huge nerf to Mutilate if they would at least give it a glyph, but i guess that would go against the action to nerf it in the first place.

saedo · 02/09/09, 8:46 PM

Originally Posted by Shadowstab

I wouldn't mind the huge nerf to Mutilate if they would at least give it a glyph, but i guess that would go against the action to nerf it in the first place.

Overall it's a buff to raiding mutilate. A nerf to pvp burst damage. Both things they'd said they'd address. But it does seem more bandaid and perhaps more is coming in 3.1.

Velax · 02/09/09, 9:15 PM

But if HfB is being buffed to 15% now, doesn't that mean the proposed 3.1 change will actually be a slight nerf? After tonight HfB is a flat 15% damage buff. After 3.1 it'll be a 15% damage buff dependent on there being a bleed on the target.