Might be GC's talking about warrior's deep wounds.

If they tweak EA/SA though there is a very realistic chance that they will adjust npc armor as well. In the end that would mean that the debuff simply becomes less of a loss if you do not have it but the overall situation when you do have it remains the same. There is very little reason to panic about that just yet (Unless you really like to EA clothies :o )

13% Spelldamage is even worse so there's that.
As for Melee I can only think of Buffs doing that for us other than Major Armor reduce, our debuffs are pretty weak.

If he tripped up on his use of the word 'debuff' he could be refering to the 10% AP or 20% haste buffs, or concievably 5% crit or static AP. For debuffs, major armor is the only real possibility, except maaaaybe mangle/trauma.

With the way that armor penetration works right now (% of armor left after debuffs), nerfing sunder armor should increase the value of ArP rating, since it would be reducing more absolute armor. Would a significant change to sunder (like halving it) be enough to make armor penetration not a trash stat? (For varying definitions of not a trash stat.)

This looked wrong to me, but (sort of) maths out. Wrath bosses (so far) all have 13083 armor, and the reduction is given by %= A/(A+15232.5). Put on major and minor debuffs, and assume you have 10% ArP (which would be relatively high). 7898 is armor after debuffs, ArP makes it 7108.

Current: 0% ARP = 34.1% reduction = 65.9% damage multiplier
10% ARP = 31.8% reduction = 68.2% damage multiplier
damage done increase = 68.2/65.9 = 3.5% per 10% arp

w/o armor debuffs: 0% arp = 46.1% reduction = 53.9% damage mult
10% arp = 43.5% reduction = 56.5% damage mult
damage done increase = 56.5/53.9 = 4.8% per 10% arp

So the stat becomes about 35% more valuable. Of course, damage overall goes down 15%, assuming they don't make any other changes. I've got a fair amount of ArP on my gear (around 8% i think, plus a trinket that procs for more), and this is kind of counter-intuitive to me because I've noticed I do very poorly on fights when warriors can't be bothered to put up sunders, and much better when they do, relative to other melee dps'ers.

The problem with that analysis is that it seems extremely unlikely that the armor debuffs would be nerfed without also nerfing the base boss armor by the same amount. And, assuming that both are changed by the same amounts, the result would be that armor penetration rating would remain exactly the same as it was.

Ghostcrawler click:

GC said the Lightning reflexes buff was just a thought he shared with something they might change. When asked later about it he said it was something they considered at the the time but later dropped; the community just latched onto it though as a promise (like they often do) and then cried "liar" when nothing came of it.

Not to say it may not change later, but there's nothing said to be in the works; in fact they've been very quiet on rogue changes due to the "crafty" way we use PvE abilities in PvP.

Actually, they said they would buff Lightning Reflexes because there were no DPS talents at that tier in combat and that it was lacking even as a defensive talent at that tier. Then they moved Aggression down to the same tier and said that they felt that addressed the issue.

Given the DPS lag, I wouldn't say it's a bad idea to go back and buff it as the originally were going to do.

These notes are probably fake or just very preliminary: Believe it or Don't: Patch 3.1 notes leaked? - WoW Insider

Regarding Rogues:

• Adrenaline Rush is now available to all Rogues at Level 30.
• New Talent: Focused Combat, 25 Energy, 3 min cooldown – When activated, the rogue goes into a focused state of combat, increasing all damage done by 30%, changing targets will cancel this effect. Lasts 15 sec.
• Envenom: Damage for all ranks increased slightly.
• Expose Armor: Now reduces the enemy's armor by a percent value instead of a flat value.
• Improved Expose Armor: No longer reduces the energy cost of Expose Armor. Now increases the armor reduced by 2%/4%.
• Tricks of the Trade: Duration reduced to 5 seconds.
• Prey on the Weak: Critical strike damage now increased by 5%/10%/15%/20%/25%.
• Close Quarters Combat: Increases your chance to get a critical strike with all weapons.
• Kick: Damage dealt significantly increased.
• Throwing Specialization: Also increases damage dealt by Fan of Knives by 15%/30%.
• Surprise Attacks: Damage bonus increased to 15%.
• Savage Combat: Now increases attack power by 4%/8%.
• Fan of Knives: Now causes 75% weapon damage with all weapons.
• Killing Spree: All damage dealt while this ability is active is increased by 20%.

And in general:

• Potency Rating: Haste Rating, Armor Penetration Rating and Spell Penetration have been merged into a single stat. Each percent of Potency will decrease the enemy's spell resistances and armor; it will also increase the player's cast speed and melee attack speed.



Playing along if this were true, my initial thoughts is that there may be too many buffs into combat. The fan of knives nerf wouldn't be a surprise, trash aoe dps is pretty ridiculous and dual spec'ing for it in 3.1 will only further ahead. AR being trainable makes me think it'd have to be nerfed to balance for pvp bursting.

Sorry but i cant see anything of that happen, it would result in at least 15% more combat dps...