SimulationCraft for Rogues - Page 10

dedmonwakeen · 03/07/09, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by koaschten

Is 51/13/7 really so much better because of the ArP change than 51/18/2 or did noone yet suggest the spec with haste from lightning reflexes? Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Bah! No, that is just an oversight.

I only added LR to the 3.1 Combat builds......

I will test it out.

It only took three different people mentioning it three different times for me to catch all the places......

Bah.

Caffeine · 03/08/09, 7:28 AM

Deadly Poison: The amount of damage this poison generates from the Rogue’s attack power has been increased from 8% per application to 12%.

Playing around with this simulator this morning and I think Deadly Poison wasn't changed yet to take this into account.

Secondly, an Envenom glyph was added:

Glyph of Envenom -- Your Envenom ability no longer consumes Deadly Poison from your target.

I posted an attempt at fixing the poison and adding the glyph here Issue 33 - simulationcraft - [Rogue] Envenom Glyph and Deadly Poison coefficient - Google Code. Seemed simple enough to me, but I might have done some stupid mistake.

I am also curious how you handle Deadly Poison ticks, does it tick every 3 seconds independently of the max duration being refreshed? I assume this is the case since similar things happen for Shadowpriests and Warlocks, but I can't really tell from the source code (I've only been poking around the rogue file).

Edit: forgot to add, the profiles for mutilate rogues would replace the rupture glyph with this new envenom one.

dedmonwakeen · 03/08/09, 11:21 AM

Caffeine, thanks for the heads-up. I've coded the changes and will release another executable tonight.

And... Yes, the DP ticks every 3sec regardless of refresh. (The action_t::refresh_duration() method in sc_action.cpp handles this.)

folderol · 03/08/09, 2:35 PM

It looks like you're using a 1.7 speed for AP normalization for both fists and daggers instead of normalizing fists at 2.4 like other 1 handers. It explains why the combat FD profile looks so bad even when using a 171 dps fist.

dedmonwakeen · 03/08/09, 2:39 PM

Originally Posted by folderol

It looks like you're using a 1.7 speed for AP normalization for both fists and daggers instead of normalizing fists at 2.4 like other 1 handers. It explains why the combat FD profile looks so bad even when using a 171 dps fist.

Ah...... That's been bugging me from the beginning. That will be included in the release tonight.

dedmonwakeen · 03/08/09, 5:00 PM

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.0 (iterations=10000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1)

Generating baseline... 
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Generating reports...

DPS Ranking:
  50757 100.0%  Raid
   6640  13.1%  Rogue_T8_51_13_07
   6584  13.0%  Rogue_T8_07_21_43
   6508  12.8%  Rogue_T8_51_18_02
   6342  12.5%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S
   6311  12.4%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD
   6231  12.3%  Rogue_T8_07_51_13
   6222  12.3%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M
   5943  11.7%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS

Player=Rogue_T8_07_21_43  DPS=6584.1 (Error=+/-2.5 Range=+/-499)  DPR=331.1  RPS=19.9/19.7  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1482  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3935  hit=8.1%  crit=31.6%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 87.1| 3.3sec  DPE= 6858|31%  DPET= 5963  DPR=195.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4215  Crit= 8685|11571|59.5%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_main_hand       Count=229.0| 1.3sec  DPE= 1803|22%  DPET= 1422  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1348  Crit= 2788| 3402|49.6%  Glance=1014|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=331.2| 0.9sec  DPE=  916|16%  DPET= 1044  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 685  Crit= 1417| 1733|49.6%  Glance= 515|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 13.9|21.5sec  DPE=10001| 7%  DPET= 8696  DPR=400.0  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=132  Tick=1054
    sinister_strike       Count= 43.7| 6.7sec  DPE= 2602| 6%  DPET= 2262  DPR=60.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1709  Crit= 3528| 4835|49.5%  Dodge=0.4%
    wound_poison          Count=502.8| 0.6sec  DPE=  696|18%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 595  Crit=  920| 1098|31.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_07_51_13  DPS=6230.6 (Error=+/-2.8 Range=+/-544)  DPR=298.6  RPS=20.9/20.6  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 18.2|15.5sec  DPE= 4834| 5%  DPET= 4204  DPR=138.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2847  Crit= 7052| 9503|47.3%
    killing_spree         Count=  2.9|126.4sec  DPE=17931| 3%  DPET= 6571  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=14  Tick=2548  CritTick=4799|6459|47.6%
    melee_main_hand       Count=249.3| 1.2sec  DPE= 1692|23%  DPET= 1453  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1288  Crit= 2661| 3854|47.5%  Glance= 968|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=464.0| 0.6sec  DPE=  670|17%  DPET= 1069  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 510  Crit= 1053| 1528|47.5%  Glance= 383|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 12.2|23.0sec  DPE=11480| 8%  DPET= 9983  DPR=459.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=121  Tick=1160
    sinister_strike       Count=124.6| 2.3sec  DPE= 3071|21%  DPET= 2670  DPR=80.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1809  Crit= 4478| 5391|47.5%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=566.3| 0.5sec  DPE=  738|23%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 579  Crit= 1073| 1514|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS  DPS=5943.5 (Error=+/-2.8 Range=+/-515)  DPR=329.3  RPS=18.1/17.8  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    backstab              Count= 81.1| 3.6sec  DPE= 5935|28%  DPET= 5161  DPR=104.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2386  Crit= 6966| 8347|77.7%  Dodge=0.3%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|124.6sec  DPE=15057| 3%  DPET= 5475  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=15  Tick=2105  CritTick=4026|5694|47.6%
    melee_main_hand       Count=352.6| 0.8sec  DPE= 1106|23%  DPET= 1342  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 841  Crit= 1738| 2542|47.5%  Glance= 632|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=453.6| 0.6sec  DPE=  646|17%  DPET= 1008  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 491  Crit= 1015| 1484|47.5%  Glance= 369|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count=  9.2|31.1sec  DPE=11695| 6%  DPET=10171  DPR=467.8  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=115  Tick=932
    wound_poison          Count=468.5| 0.6sec  DPE=  882|24%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 692  Crit= 1282| 1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD  DPS=6310.7 (Error=+/-2.9 Range=+/-529)  DPR=329.0  RPS=19.2/18.9  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 18.1|15.6sec  DPE= 4742| 5%  DPET= 4124  DPR=135.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2791  Crit= 6910| 9242|47.4%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|125.7sec  DPE=19674| 3%  DPET= 7177  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.3%  TickCount=15  Tick=2598  CritTick=5443|7403|47.7%
    melee_main_hand       Count=249.4| 1.2sec  DPE= 1644|22%  DPET= 1412  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1251  Crit= 2585| 3748|47.5%  Glance= 940|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=464.1| 0.6sec  DPE=  651|16%  DPET= 1039  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 495  Crit= 1023| 1487|47.4%  Glance= 372|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 12.0|23.4sec  DPE= 9453| 6%  DPET= 8220  DPR=378.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=119  Tick=955
    sinister_strike       Count=112.0| 2.6sec  DPE= 3358|20%  DPET= 2920  DPR=88.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1760  Crit= 5135| 6180|47.5%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=554.8| 0.5sec  DPE=  885|27%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 695  Crit= 1288| 1817|32.1%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M  DPS=6221.6 (Error=+/-2.9 Range=+/-558)  DPR=329.0  RPS=18.9/18.7  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 17.6|16.0sec  DPE= 4783| 5%  DPET= 4158  DPR=136.6  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2946  Crit= 7292| 9750|42.3%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|125.6sec  DPE=19285| 3%  DPET= 7031  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.3%  TickCount=15  Tick=2667  CritTick=5490|7649|42.8%
    melee_main_hand       Count=259.3| 1.1sec  DPE= 1566|22%  DPET= 1399  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1242  Crit= 2566| 3728|42.5%  Glance= 933|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=432.9| 0.7sec  DPE=  705|17%  DPET= 1051  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 560  Crit= 1156| 1680|42.5%  Glance= 421|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.9|23.5sec  DPE= 9447| 6%  DPET= 8216  DPR=377.9  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=118  Tick=954
    sinister_strike       Count=110.4| 2.6sec  DPE= 3261|20%  DPET= 2836  DPR=85.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1802  Crit= 5258| 6345|42.4%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=547.7| 0.5sec  DPE=  885|27%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 694  Crit= 1288| 1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S  DPS=6342.0 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-548)  DPR=335.3  RPS=18.9/18.7  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 17.6|16.0sec  DPE= 4543| 4%  DPET= 3951  DPR=129.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2792  Crit= 6915| 9242|42.5%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|125.7sec  DPE=18762| 3%  DPET= 6837  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=15  Tick=2584  CritTick=5362|7451|42.7%
    melee_main_hand       Count=287.3| 1.0sec  DPE= 1547|24%  DPET= 1328  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1228  Crit= 2536| 3676|42.4%  Glance= 923|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=433.0| 0.7sec  DPE=  670|16%  DPET=  998  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 532  Crit= 1098| 1593|42.5%  Glance= 399|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.9|23.5sec  DPE= 9459| 6%  DPET= 8225  DPR=378.3  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=118  Tick=955
    sinister_strike       Count=110.4| 2.6sec  DPE= 3127|19%  DPET= 2719  DPR=82.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1726  Crit= 5035| 6065|42.5%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=583.9| 0.5sec  DPE=  886|28%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 695  Crit= 1289| 1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_51_13_07  DPS=6639.8 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-551)  DPR=408.8  RPS=16.2/16.0  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3742  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    deadly_poison         Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE=  inf|12%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=nan%  TickCount=96  Tick=2351
    envenom               Count= 21.1|13.4sec  DPE= 7218| 8%  DPET= 6277  DPR=206.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4861  Crit=10416|15112|42.8%  Dodge=0.4%
    instant_poison        Count=164.9| 1.8sec  DPE= 2107|18%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1763  Crit= 2832| 3448|32.2%
    melee_main_hand       Count=413.1| 0.7sec  DPE= 1008|22%  DPET= 1432  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 758  Crit= 1628| 2003|45.5%  Glance= 569|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=413.1| 0.7sec  DPE=  757|16%  DPET= 1075  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 569  Crit= 1222| 1504|45.5%  Glance= 428|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    mutilate              Count=120.7| 4.9sec  DPE= 2893|18%  DPET= 5020  DPR=110.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1457  Crit= 3625| 4759|66.5%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 13.9|20.6sec  DPE= 9302| 7%  DPET= 8089  DPR=372.1  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=107  Tick=1203

Player=Rogue_T8_51_18_02  DPS=6508.1 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-558)  DPR=472.8  RPS=13.8/13.5  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3742  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    deadly_poison         Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE=  inf|10%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=nan%  TickCount=88  Tick=2151
    envenom               Count= 18.0|15.7sec  DPE= 7116| 7%  DPET= 6187  DPR=203.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4792  Crit=10283|15112|42.7%  Dodge=0.4%
    instant_poison        Count=167.5| 1.7sec  DPE= 2105|19%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1760  Crit= 2828| 3448|32.2%
    melee_main_hand       Count=454.3| 0.6sec  DPE= 1023|25%  DPET= 1599  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 756  Crit= 1625| 2003|47.5%  Glance= 569|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=454.3| 0.6sec  DPE=  768|18%  DPET= 1200  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 568  Crit= 1220| 1504|47.5%  Glance= 427|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    mutilate              Count=100.1| 5.9sec  DPE= 2936|16%  DPET= 5096  DPR=112.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1458  Crit= 3626| 4759|68.4%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 10.1|28.5sec  DPE=11549| 6%  DPET=10042  DPR=462.0  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=97  Tick=1206

Gains:

    Rogue_T8_51_18_02:
        energy_regen=2907.9
        focused_attacks=1024.8

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        energy_regen=2907.9
        focused_attacks=943.1
        relentless_strikes=804.5

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        adrenaline_rush=360.1
        combat_potency=1190.6
        energy_regen=3606.4
        relentless_strikes=354.8

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M:
        adrenaline_rush=361.0
        combat_potency=1111.8
        energy_regen=3609.6
        relentless_strikes=349.7

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S:
        adrenaline_rush=361.4
        combat_potency=1111.6
        energy_regen=3609.7
        relentless_strikes=349.7

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS:
        adrenaline_rush=371.9
        combat_potency=1177.7
        energy_regen=3633.1

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        adrenaline_rush=347.4
        combat_potency=1181.3
        energy_regen=3586.3
        relentless_strikes=890.7

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        energy_regen=2907.7
        relentless_strikes=2841.2

Procs:

    Rogue_T8_51_18_02:
        combo_points=146.0|2.0sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        deadly_poisons=198.4|1.5sec
        ruthlessness=16.8|17.4sec
        seal_fate=45.0|6.5sec

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        combo_points=176.1|1.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        deadly_poisons=190.6|1.5sec
        ruthlessness=21.0|13.9sec
        seal_fate=53.5|5.4sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        combo_points=180.1|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        ruthlessness=18.0|16.1sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M:
        combo_points=177.6|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        ruthlessness=17.7|16.4sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S:
        combo_points=177.5|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        ruthlessness=17.7|16.5sec
        sword_specialization=37.9|7.7sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS:
        combo_points=79.4|3.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        combo_points=180.9|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        combo_points=570.5|0.5sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        honor_among_thieves=580.9|0.5sec

Up-Times:

    Global:
        100.0% : blood_frenzy
        100.0% : improved_scorch
        100.0% : mangle
        100.0% : master_poisoner
        100.0% : savage_combat
        100.0% : totem_of_wrath
        100.0% : winters_chill

    Rogue_T8_51_18_02:
        29.2% : berserking_mh
        28.3% : berserking_oh
        31.2% : envenom
        98.0% : hunger_for_blood
        100.0% : poisoned
        99.4% : slice_and_dice
        19.9% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        30.6% : berserking_mh
        29.4% : berserking_oh
        36.9% : envenom
        98.1% : hunger_for_blood
        100.0% : poisoned
        99.5% : slice_and_dice
        19.9% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        50.0% : berserking_mh
        24.4% : berserking_oh
        18.3% : blade_flurry
         1.5% : energy_cap
        96.7% : slice_and_dice
        19.9% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M:
        48.7% : berserking_mh
        25.0% : berserking_oh
        18.3% : blade_flurry
         1.3% : energy_cap
        96.6% : slice_and_dice
        19.9% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S:
        51.7% : berserking_mh
        25.1% : berserking_oh
        18.3% : blade_flurry
         1.3% : energy_cap
        96.6% : slice_and_dice
        19.9% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS:
        37.0% : berserking_mh
        24.9% : berserking_oh
        17.9% : blade_flurry
         0.1% : energy_cap
        90.9% : slice_and_dice
        19.7% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        51.6% : berserking_mh
        24.6% : berserking_oh
        18.3% : blade_flurry
         2.4% : energy_cap
        96.7% : slice_and_dice
        19.9% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        48.5% : berserking_mh
        22.9% : berserking_oh
        18.5% : blade_flurry
         0.0% : energy_cap
        99.2% : slice_and_dice
        20.4% : tricks_of_the_trade

Waiting:
    55.7% : Rogue_T8_51_18_02
    52.9% : Rogue_T8_51_13_07
    26.0% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD
    26.6% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M
    26.6% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S
    54.2% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS
    21.6% : Rogue_T8_07_51_13
    35.6% : Rogue_T8_07_21_43

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 205182589
  MaxEventQueue = 87
  SimSeconds    = 2911968
  CpuSeconds    = 263
  SpeedUp       = 11072

Armanewb · 03/08/09, 6:08 PM

Just a curious aside, but with the HaT modelling you are assuming 0.5 seconds between each CP gained from HaT?

I have a personal use spreadsheet for my guild raids, that shows on straight up patchwerk-esque fights (I assume this is what we're modelling here) that not only will SV hunters smash that mark, but the crits/sec for even elemental shamans, marksman hunters and moonkins are above 0.4/sec. Assuming the "optimal raid", using 43 CP builders over a 5-min fight seems a bit excessive. I guess what I'm driving for is that two players in your party can be sufficient to generate 0.5cp/ses, sometimes even just one.

dedmonwakeen · 03/08/09, 7:03 PM

Originally Posted by Armanewb

Just a curious aside, but with the HaT modelling you are assuming 0.5 seconds between each CP gained from HaT?

I have a personal use spreadsheet for my guild raids, that shows on straight up patchwerk-esque fights (I assume this is what we're modelling here) that not only will SV hunters smash that mark, but the crits/sec for even elemental shamans, marksman hunters and moonkins are above 0.4/sec. Assuming the "optimal raid", using 43 CP builders over a 5-min fight seems a bit excessive. I guess what I'm driving for is that two players in your party can be sufficient to generate 0.5cp/ses, sometimes even just one.

The 0.5sec is an average interval. The code will RNG a value between 50%-interval and 150%-interval to determine "next" proc.

When I perform full raid modeling, I turn off the interval code and party up the HAT rogue with three hunters and an enhancement shaman. This results in an average interval of around 0.4sec (Unfortunately, the proc reports only show down to tenths of a second, so it could be as low as 0.35sec.)

So, yeah..... Using 0.4sec would be more reasonable...... but I've found the community a bit touchy in the area of HAT rogues so when I'm not doing "real" party modeling, I err on the conservative side. I suppose I should just grow a backbone and drop the default out-of-raid interval......

dedmonwakeen · 03/08/09, 10:21 PM

Thanks for all the helpful feedback. All the changes have been included in the most recent release (r1716) available for download.

folderol · 03/09/09, 6:05 AM

Combat FD profile is still broken as you've removed the 5% crit bonus from close quarters combat on fists by having WEAPON_FIST > WEAPON_SMALL in simcraft.h. Simply swapping order in the enum so that FIST is before SMALL fixes the issue.

With the fix in, we have as expected combat_FD dps > combat_S dps with a 171 dps weapon but combat_FD < combat_S when both using 157 dps main hand weapons.

Also, for all combat profiles, substituting SnD glyph with Adrenaline Rush glyph and reducing energy pooling to 40 are both a DPS increase.

For Mutilate based profiles, dual 171 dps 1.8 speed daggers is the best combo with envenom glyph.

Finally, for the HaT profile, this evenom based profile significantly outperforms the current one:

Rogue_T8_18_10_43.simcraft
patch=3.1.0
rogue=Rogue_T8_18_10_43
level=80
talents=http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent=f0xfojZ0xVZxbrbhGzdAzqc
actions=flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=fish_feast/apply_poison,main_hand=instant,off_hand=deadly
actions+=/auto_attack/pool_energy,for_next=1
actions+=/slice_and_dice,min_combo_points=4,snd<=3
actions+=/tricks_of_the_trade
actions+=/rupture,min_combo_points=5
actions+=/envenom,min_combo_points=5
actions+=/backstab,max_combo_points=4,energy>=90
Melee_T7_Base_Gear.simcraft
gear_expertise_rating=200
glyph_rupture=1
glyph_envenom=1
glyph_backstab=1
relentless_earthstorm=1
main_hand=dagger,dps=171,speed=1.8,enchant=berserking
off_hand=dagger,dps=171,speed=1.8,enchant=berserking
# When using this profile with a real raid AND party setups, override this value to zero.
honor_among_thieves_interval=0.5

With all these changes in, I get the following output:

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.0 (iterations=10000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1)

Generating baseline... 
10... 9... 8... 7... 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... 

Generating reports...

DPS Ranking:
  58267 100.0%  Raid
   7174  12.3%  Rogue_T8_18_10_43
   6685  11.5%  Rogue_T8_51_13_07
   6597  11.3%  Rogue_T8_07_21_43
   6491  11.1%  Rogue_T8_51_18_02
   6430  11.0%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD
   6393  11.0%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S
   6342  10.9%  Rogue_T8_07_51_13
   6241  10.7%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M
   5943  10.2%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS

Player=Rogue_T8_07_21_43  DPS=6596.7 (Error=+/-2.5 Range=+/-455)  DPR=331.7  RPS=19.9/19.7  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1482  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3935  hit=8.1%  crit=31.6%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 86.4| 3.3sec  DPE= 6860|31%  DPET= 5965  DPR=196.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4213  Crit= 8685|11571|59.6%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_main_hand       Count=227.4| 1.3sec  DPE= 1801|21%  DPET= 1421  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1347  Crit= 2788| 3402|49.5%  Glance=1014|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=328.9| 0.9sec  DPE=  916|16%  DPET= 1044  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 685  Crit= 1417| 1733|49.6%  Glance= 515|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 13.8|21.5sec  DPE=10003| 7%  DPET= 8699  DPR=400.1  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=131  Tick=1054
    sinister_strike       Count= 43.3| 6.7sec  DPE= 2693| 6%  DPET= 2342  DPR=63.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1709  Crit= 3529| 4835|54.5%  Dodge=0.4%
    wound_poison          Count=498.8| 0.6sec  DPE=  696|18%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 595  Crit=  920| 1098|31.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_07_51_13  DPS=6341.5 (Error=+/-2.7 Range=+/-547)  DPR=296.4  RPS=21.4/21.1  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 17.7|15.9sec  DPE= 4864| 5%  DPET= 4229  DPR=139.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2867  Crit= 7092| 9503|47.3%
    killing_spree         Count=  2.9|126.3sec  DPE=18086| 3%  DPET= 6648  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=14  Tick=2581  CritTick=4861|6459|47.4%
    melee_main_hand       Count=247.9| 1.2sec  DPE= 1693|23%  DPET= 1456  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1288  Crit= 2662| 3854|47.5%  Glance= 968|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=461.3| 0.6sec  DPE=  670|17%  DPET= 1071  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 510  Crit= 1054| 1528|47.4%  Glance= 383|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 12.1|23.0sec  DPE=11521| 8%  DPET=10017  DPR=460.8  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=120  Tick=1165
    sinister_strike       Count=127.0| 2.3sec  DPE= 3207|22%  DPET= 2789  DPR=84.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1811  Crit= 4481| 5391|52.5%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=565.6| 0.5sec  DPE=  739|23%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 580  Crit= 1074| 1514|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_10_43  DPS=7174.0 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-563)  DPR=359.8  RPS=19.9/19.8  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1482  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3935  hit=8.1%  crit=31.6%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    backstab              Count= 32.2| 9.1sec  DPE= 4368| 7%  DPET= 3798  DPR=76.6  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2193  Crit= 5082| 6930|75.6%  Dodge=0.4%
    deadly_poison         Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE=  inf| 9%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=nan%  TickCount=94  Tick=1939
    envenom               Count= 87.4| 3.2sec  DPE= 7686|32%  DPET= 6683  DPR=219.6  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5197  Crit=10721|14936|45.4%  Dodge=0.4%
    instant_poison        Count=140.6| 2.0sec  DPE= 1720|12%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1464  Crit= 2261| 2764|32.2%
    melee_main_hand       Count=318.7| 0.9sec  DPE= 1194|18%  DPET= 1319  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 923  Crit= 1909| 2355|45.5%  Glance= 694|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=318.7| 0.9sec  DPE=  897|14%  DPET=  991  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 693  Crit= 1433| 1768|45.5%  Glance= 521|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 11.0|26.9sec  DPE=15446| 8%  DPET=13432  DPR=617.8  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=133  Tick=1277

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS  DPS=5942.8 (Error=+/-2.8 Range=+/-531)  DPR=329.1  RPS=18.1/17.8  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    backstab              Count= 80.5| 3.6sec  DPE= 5930|28%  DPET= 5156  DPR=104.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2384  Crit= 6961| 8347|77.6%  Dodge=0.3%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|124.6sec  DPE=14995| 3%  DPET= 5453  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=15  Tick=2099  CritTick=4009|5694|47.5%
    melee_main_hand       Count=350.1| 0.8sec  DPE= 1105|23%  DPET= 1342  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 841  Crit= 1738| 2542|47.5%  Glance= 632|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=450.4| 0.6sec  DPE=  646|17%  DPET= 1008  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 491  Crit= 1015| 1484|47.5%  Glance= 369|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count=  9.1|31.1sec  DPE=11706| 6%  DPET=10180  DPR=468.3  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=114  Tick=932
    wound_poison          Count=465.2| 0.6sec  DPE=  881|24%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 691  Crit= 1282| 1817|32.1%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD  DPS=6429.9 (Error=+/-2.9 Range=+/-571)  DPR=326.9  RPS=19.7/19.4  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 17.4|16.2sec  DPE= 4781| 4%  DPET= 4158  DPR=136.6  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2814  Crit= 6965| 9242|47.4%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|125.5sec  DPE=19844| 3%  DPET= 7260  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.3%  TickCount=15  Tick=2635  CritTick=5515|7403|47.4%
    melee_main_hand       Count=247.9| 1.2sec  DPE= 1645|22%  DPET= 1415  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1252  Crit= 2587| 3748|47.5%  Glance= 941|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=461.3| 0.6sec  DPE=  652|16%  DPET= 1042  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 496  Crit= 1024| 1487|47.5%  Glance= 373|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.9|23.4sec  DPE= 9482| 6%  DPET= 8245  DPR=379.3  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=118  Tick=959
    sinister_strike       Count=114.3| 2.5sec  DPE= 3526|22%  DPET= 3066  DPR=92.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1761  Crit= 5139| 6180|52.4%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=553.8| 0.5sec  DPE=  887|26%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 696  Crit= 1290| 1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M  DPS=6240.9 (Error=+/-2.9 Range=+/-563)  DPR=329.1  RPS=19.0/18.7  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 17.4|16.2sec  DPE= 4790| 5%  DPET= 4166  DPR=136.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2946  Crit= 7288| 9750|42.5%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|125.1sec  DPE=19249| 3%  DPET= 7019  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=15  Tick=2664  CritTick=5483|7649|42.8%
    melee_main_hand       Count=257.9| 1.1sec  DPE= 1566|22%  DPET= 1402  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1243  Crit= 2567| 3728|42.5%  Glance= 934|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=430.6| 0.7sec  DPE=  706|17%  DPET= 1054  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 560  Crit= 1157| 1680|42.5%  Glance= 421|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.9|23.5sec  DPE= 9422| 6%  DPET= 8194  DPR=376.9  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=117  Tick=953
    sinister_strike       Count=110.0| 2.6sec  DPE= 3268|20%  DPET= 2842  DPR=86.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1804  Crit= 5263| 6345|42.5%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=545.1| 0.5sec  DPE=  886|27%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 695  Crit= 1288| 1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S  DPS=6393.0 (Error=+/-3.1 Range=+/-585)  DPR=329.6  RPS=19.4/19.1  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 16.9|16.7sec  DPE= 4569| 4%  DPET= 3973  DPR=130.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2816  Crit= 6967| 9242|42.2%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|125.4sec  DPE=18960| 3%  DPET= 6939  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.3%  TickCount=15  Tick=2625  CritTick=5451|7451|42.4%
    melee_main_hand       Count=285.9| 1.0sec  DPE= 1549|24%  DPET= 1332  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1229  Crit= 2537| 3676|42.5%  Glance= 923|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=430.4| 0.7sec  DPE=  670|16%  DPET= 1000  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 532  Crit= 1099| 1593|42.5%  Glance= 400|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.8|23.6sec  DPE= 9488| 6%  DPET= 8250  DPR=379.5  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=117  Tick=959
    sinister_strike       Count=112.7| 2.6sec  DPE= 3129|19%  DPET= 2721  DPR=82.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1727  Crit= 5040| 6065|42.5%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=582.7| 0.5sec  DPE=  888|28%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 696  Crit= 1291| 1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_51_13_07  DPS=6684.9 (Error=+/-3.2 Range=+/-619)  DPR=431.5  RPS=15.5/15.2  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3742  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    deadly_poison         Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE=  inf|12%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=nan%  TickCount=95  Tick=2342
    envenom               Count= 19.9|14.2sec  DPE= 6996| 7%  DPET= 6083  DPR=199.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4713  Crit=10116|15112|42.6%  Dodge=0.4%
    instant_poison        Count=167.2| 1.7sec  DPE= 2108|18%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1763  Crit= 2834| 3448|32.1%
    melee_main_hand       Count=319.1| 0.9sec  DPE= 1328|22%  DPET= 1469  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 999  Crit= 2146| 2631|45.4%  Glance= 751|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=319.1| 0.9sec  DPE=  997|16%  DPET= 1103  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 750  Crit= 1611| 1975|45.5%  Glance= 564|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    mutilate              Count=113.2| 5.1sec  DPE= 3093|18%  DPET= 5367  DPR=118.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1558  Crit= 3877| 5090|66.4%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 13.5|21.1sec  DPE= 9285| 6%  DPET= 8074  DPR=371.4  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=104  Tick=1205

Player=Rogue_T8_51_18_02  DPS=6491.0 (Error=+/-3.3 Range=+/-593)  DPR=496.6  RPS=13.1/12.8  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3742  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    deadly_poison         Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE=  inf|12%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=nan%  TickCount=95  Tick=2339
    envenom               Count= 12.0|23.7sec  DPE= 6263| 4%  DPET= 5447  DPR=178.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4222  Crit= 9074|15112|42.4%  Dodge=0.4%
    instant_poison        Count=159.4| 1.8sec  DPE= 2103|18%  DPET=  inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1761  Crit= 2828| 3448|32.1%
    melee_main_hand       Count=349.6| 0.8sec  DPE= 1347|25%  DPET= 1633  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 996  Crit= 2140| 2631|47.4%  Glance= 749|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=349.6| 0.8sec  DPE= 1012|19%  DPET= 1227  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 748  Crit= 1607| 1975|47.5%  Glance= 562|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    mutilate              Count= 93.4| 6.2sec  DPE= 3129|16%  DPET= 5431  DPR=119.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1553  Crit= 3865| 5090|68.4%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 13.8|20.1sec  DPE= 9104| 7%  DPET= 7916  DPR=364.1  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=106  Tick=1187

Gains:

    Rogue_T8_51_18_02:
        energy_regen=2885.8
        focused_attacks=814.8

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        energy_regen=2885.8
        focused_attacks=759.7
        relentless_strikes=757.5

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        adrenaline_rush=479.0
        combat_potency=1184.7
        energy_regen=3582.6
        relentless_strikes=360.4

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M:
        adrenaline_rush=362.6
        combat_potency=1106.1
        energy_regen=3585.8
        relentless_strikes=347.4

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S:
        adrenaline_rush=481.0
        combat_potency=1106.1
        energy_regen=3584.9
        relentless_strikes=356.4

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS:
        adrenaline_rush=371.9
        combat_potency=1168.2
        energy_regen=3605.4

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        adrenaline_rush=460.9
        combat_potency=1175.5
        energy_regen=3564.2
        relentless_strikes=907.6

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        energy_regen=2885.5
        relentless_strikes=2819.4

    Rogue_T8_18_10_43:
        energy_regen=2884.2
        relentless_strikes=2827.3

Procs:

    Rogue_T8_51_18_02:
        combo_points=137.7|2.1sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.3sec
        deadly_poisons=149.8|1.9sec
        ruthlessness=15.4|18.8sec
        seal_fate=42.0|6.9sec

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        combo_points=166.0|1.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.3sec
        deadly_poisons=150.3|1.9sec
        ruthlessness=19.9|14.5sec
        seal_fate=50.2|5.8sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        combo_points=182.9|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.3sec
        ruthlessness=17.5|16.5sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M:
        combo_points=176.7|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.3sec
        ruthlessness=17.6|16.4sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S:
        combo_points=180.4|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.3sec
        ruthlessness=17.3|16.7sec
        sword_specialization=38.0|7.6sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS:
        combo_points=78.8|3.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.3sec

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        combo_points=184.2|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.3sec

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        combo_points=566.2|0.5sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.3sec
        honor_among_thieves=576.5|0.5sec

    Rogue_T8_18_10_43:
        combo_points=567.9|0.5sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.3sec
        deadly_poisons=122.4|2.4sec
        honor_among_thieves=576.4|0.5sec

Up-Times:

    Global:
        100.0% : blood_frenzy
        100.0% : improved_scorch
        100.0% : mangle
        100.0% : master_poisoner
        100.0% : savage_combat
        100.0% : totem_of_wrath
        100.0% : winters_chill

    Rogue_T8_51_18_02:
        31.4% : berserking_mh
        29.4% : berserking_oh
        18.6% : envenom
        97.3% : hunger_for_blood
        100.0% : poisoned
        98.6% : slice_and_dice
        19.6% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        32.4% : berserking_mh
        30.6% : berserking_oh
         0.0% : energy_cap
        33.9% : envenom
        98.2% : hunger_for_blood
        100.0% : poisoned
        99.6% : slice_and_dice
        19.8% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        50.2% : berserking_mh
        24.6% : berserking_oh
        18.5% : blade_flurry
         1.5% : energy_cap
        97.0% : slice_and_dice
        20.8% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M:
        48.6% : berserking_mh
        25.0% : berserking_oh
        18.5% : blade_flurry
         1.1% : energy_cap
        97.0% : slice_and_dice
        20.1% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S:
        52.0% : berserking_mh
        24.9% : berserking_oh
        18.5% : blade_flurry
         1.4% : energy_cap
        96.9% : slice_and_dice
        20.9% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS:
        36.9% : berserking_mh
        24.8% : berserking_oh
        18.1% : blade_flurry
         0.1% : energy_cap
        90.9% : slice_and_dice
        19.7% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        52.0% : berserking_mh
        24.5% : berserking_oh
        18.5% : blade_flurry
         2.5% : energy_cap
        97.0% : slice_and_dice
        20.7% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        48.4% : berserking_mh
        23.0% : berserking_oh
        18.6% : blade_flurry
         0.0% : energy_cap
        99.2% : slice_and_dice
        20.5% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_10_43:
        28.7% : berserking_mh
        23.0% : berserking_oh
         0.1% : energy_cap
        95.5% : envenom
        99.4% : slice_and_dice
        20.0% : tricks_of_the_trade

Waiting:
    54.5% : Rogue_T8_51_18_02
    52.6% : Rogue_T8_51_13_07
    26.2% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD
    28.9% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M
    26.8% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S
    54.1% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS
    21.8% : Rogue_T8_07_51_13
    35.6% : Rogue_T8_07_21_43
    40.9% : Rogue_T8_18_10_43

Scound · 03/09/09, 6:27 AM

How reliable are those Numbers for the HaT spec?

As I do not quite understand the HaT modeling involved, could you eventually elaborate on the average PPM of HaT on which the simulations results are based in the simulation?

Thanks

dedmonwakeen · 03/09/09, 8:18 AM

Originally Posted by folderol

Combat FD profile is still broken as you've removed the 5% crit bonus from close quarters combat on fists by having WEAPON_FIST > WEAPON_SMALL in simcraft.h. Simply swapping order in the enum so that FIST is before SMALL fixes the issue.

With the fix in, we have as expected combat_FD dps > combat_S dps with a 171 dps weapon but combat_FD < combat_S when both using 157 dps main hand weapons.

Also, for all combat profiles, substituting SnD glyph with Adrenaline Rush glyph and reducing energy pooling to 40 are both a DPS increase.

For Mutilate based profiles, dual 171 dps 1.8 speed daggers is the best combo with envenom glyph.

Finally, for the HaT profile, this evenom based profile significantly outperforms the current one:

Rogue_T8_18_10_43.simcraft
patch=3.1.0
rogue=Rogue_T8_18_10_43
level=80
talents=http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent=f0xfojZ0xVZxbrbhGzdAzqc
actions=flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=fish_feast/apply_poison,main_hand=instant,off_hand=deadly
actions+=/auto_attack/pool_energy,for_next=1
actions+=/slice_and_dice,min_combo_points=4,snd<=3
actions+=/tricks_of_the_trade
actions+=/rupture,min_combo_points=5
actions+=/envenom,min_combo_points=5
actions+=/backstab,max_combo_points=4,energy>=90
Melee_T7_Base_Gear.simcraft
gear_expertise_rating=200
glyph_rupture=1
glyph_envenom=1
glyph_backstab=1
relentless_earthstorm=1
main_hand=dagger,dps=171,speed=1.8,enchant=berserking
off_hand=dagger,dps=171,speed=1.8,enchant=berserking
# When using this profile with a real raid AND party setups, override this value to zero.
honor_among_thieves_interval=0.5

Thanks for the analysis!

Actually, FIST must be in the 1-Hand group or it breaks the normalized speed AP scaling (hurting the _FD spec). I noticed the CQC problem myself, and the released code already includes this fix (simply check explicitly for Dagger/Fist instead of Small). I'll include this new profile in the Rogue list.

Regarding HAT modeling, there are two forms:
(1) Out-of-raid: The user must specify an average interval between procs. The simulator will put in a rolling event for the Rogue to track HAT procs. The time to the next proc is a random value between 0.5*interval and 1.5*interval.
(2) In-Raid: The user must put the Rogue in a party with other raid members. Whenever one of those party members (or pets of party members) crits with a spell or a non-special attack the Rogue receives a CP. There is a 1sec CD on a party members ability to generate a CP for the Rogue. Pets of party members have a CD separate from their owner.

The numbers in the above post are of the #1 variety....... but 0.5sec average interval is reasonably conservative.

nuoHep · 03/09/09, 10:32 AM

Actually, the envenom glyph changes all profiles. For example:

#!simcraft max_time=300 optimal_raid=1

# When using this profile in the context of a raid:
# set tricks_of_the_trade=a_player_name

patch=3.1.0
rogue=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD
level=80
talents=http://ptr.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eb0eZMgVoxcxoru0xRtb
actions=flask,type=endless_rage/food,type=fish_feast/apply_poison,main_hand=instant,off_hand=deadly
actions+=/auto_attack
actions+=/pool_energy,energy<=60,snd<=5/slice_and_dice,min_combo_points=3,snd<=2
actions+=/tricks_of_the_trade
actions+=/killing_spree,energy<=30/blade_flurry
actions+=/envenom,min_combo_points=5,snd>=6,energy>=60
actions+=/envenom,min_combo_points=4,snd>=4,energy>=40
actions+=/sinister_strike,max_combo_points=4
actions+=/adrenaline_rush
Melee_T7_Base_Gear.simcraft
gear_expertise_rating=200
# Not fair to use the same stats for all Rogues since Combat Rogue needs less expertise.
# Trade expertise for ivalue-equal amount of attack power
enchant_attack_power=+160
enchant_expertise_rating=-80
glyph_envenom=1
glyph_slice_and_dice=1
glyph_sinister_strike=1
main_hand=fist,dps=171,speed=2.6,enchant=berserking
off_hand=dagger,dps=157,speed=1.4,enchant=berserking

Standart FD profile with rupture glyph changed to envenom and rupture completely thrown out of rotation.
This setup produces:

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.0 (iterations=1000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1)


DPS Ranking:
   6310 100.0%  Raid
   6315  100.0%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD  DPS=6314.7 (Error=+/-11.0 Range=+/-559)  DPR=328.5  RPS=19.2/19.0  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    deadly_poison         Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE=    1|10%  DPET=    1  DPR= 1.$  Miss=-1.$%  TickCount=96  Tick=1882
    envenom               Count= 31.7| 9.0sec  DPE= 6674|11%  DPET= 5338  DPR=190.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4117  Crit=10183|14151|42.1%
    instant_poison        Count=179.3| 1.6sec  DPE= 1807|17%  DPET=    1  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1418  Crit= 2628| 3778|32.2%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|126.2sec  DPE=19687| 3%  DPET= 7199  DPR= 1.$  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=15  Tick=2599  CritTick=5448|7403|48.0%
    melee_main_hand       Count=251.4| 1.2sec  DPE= 1637|22%  DPET= 1407  DPR= 1.$  Miss=13.0%  Hit=1247  Crit= 2577| 3748|47.4%  Glance= 938|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=467.7| 0.6sec  DPE=  649|16%  DPET= 1037  DPR= 1.$  Miss=12.8%  Hit= 494  Crit= 1020| 1487|47.5%  Glance= 371|24.1%  Dodge=0.3%
    sinister_strike       Count=108.9| 2.7sec  DPE= 3346|20%  DPET= 2677  DPR=88.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1757  Crit= 5125| 6180|47.3%  Dodge=0.3%

Gains:

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        adrenaline_rush=362.6
        combat_potency=1206.3
        energy_regen=3646.0
        relentless_strikes=358.1

Procs:

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        combo_points=180.2|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|42.0sec
        deadly_poisons=159.9|1.8sec
        ruthlessness=19.1|15.4sec

Up-Times:

    Global:
        100.0% : blood_frenzy
        100.0% : improved_scorch
        100.0% : master_poisoner
        100.0% : savage_combat
        100.0% : totem_of_wrath
        100.0% : winters_chill

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        45.3% : berserking_mh
        24.8% : berserking_oh
        18.2% : blade_flurry
         1.2% : energy_cap
        54.8% : envenom
        97.0% : slice_and_dice
        19.3% : tricks_of_the_trade

Waiting:
    21.9% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 2518910
  MaxEventQueue = 14
  SimSeconds    = 293808
  CpuSeconds    = 2
  SpeedUp       = 146904

That's almost 200 dps more then current FD wound/wound+rupture (on your googlepage sample output). And I didn't even put much thought into the actions queue to maximise envenom uptime.

EDIT: Decided to run the simulation some more on my pc. So it's not really 200dps gain, as your sample output seems to be out-of-date, but more like 50dps. Not much but still is a gain, and as we will lose our 2ptT7 the envenom spam build will get more.

dedmonwakeen · 03/09/09, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by nuoHep

Actually, the envenom glyph changes all profiles. For example:

Standart FD profile with rupture glyph changed to envenom and rupture completely thrown out of rotation.

That's almost 200 dps more then current FD wound/wound+rupture (on you googlepage sample output). And I didn't even put much thought into the actions queue to maximise envenom uptime (not did I checked if the gear setup is spell hit capped).

Does that mean Rogue is "broken" (for lack of a better word) on the PTR?

What I'm getting at is: Does this seem reasonable?

If not, then either it is just my usual chasing after PTR mechanics while they are still in flight or (more likely) I have another modeling problem....

folderol · 03/09/09, 10:51 AM

Be careful, you're comparing against results generated with a buggy implementation of Fist spec. With the latest code, I get a base dps of 6430 with the default combat_FD profile (but with AR glyph instead of SnD).

Since Rupture has a DPR of 379 for this build compared to Envenom DPR of 191, you're unlikely to get a better result by completely excluding Rupture from your rotations although using Envenom instead of Eviscerate is certainly something to check.