SimulationCraft for Rogues - Page 9

Blizisyimhot · 02/13/09, 3:05 PM

I think sp00n stated refresh_at<=2, refresh_at_energy>=70 where x<=2.

I wanted to know if you can add an additional spec and mechanic to the config files. Instead of the standard HAT 07_21_43 can you add 7_20_44 with an condition to shadowstep when its up followed by 5 combo point eviscerate? I tried to do it myself but I'm not very familiar with the program.

dedmonwakeen · 02/13/09, 3:08 PM

Part of my problem with the Combat tree seems to be itemization.

Switching from Close Quarters Combat to Sword Specialization would seem to provide a nice boost, but when I try to find the swords that would fit the build well, the list of top-end weapons was a bit disappointing when comparing swords to the dagger/fist options.

sp00n · 02/13/09, 7:38 PM

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

Part of my problem with the Combat tree seems to be itemization.

Switching from Close Quarters Combat to Sword Specialization would seem to provide a nice boost, but when I try to find the swords that would fit the build well, the list of top-end weapons was a bit disappointing when comparing swords to the dagger/fist options.

That's one of the reasons virtually nobody uses a pure sword spec anymore these days. There are, however, specs with both fist (5) and sword (4) specialization (e.g. using [Calamity's Grasp] and [Hailstorm]).

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

Thanks. This is exceptionally helpful.

A question regarding the "energy>=70" conditional on slice_and_dice:

Is the intent here that once the duration of SnD gets below X, pool energy until 1sec remaing OR energy will cap.

If I'm understanding this, what is a good value for X? 5sec?

X depends on the cycle you're planning, which itself depends on the talents you chose (and gear, of course). With a 7/51/13 build, I could hardly keep up a 4s/5r/5e cycle if there were less than 10 seconds left on SnD before I reached 5cp for an eviscerate. In this case, I either used Evis at 4cp, or skipped it alltogether and refreshed SnD early.
With a 15/51/5 build and skilled Ruthlessness, I can cut my cycle to 3s/5r/5e, and due to the 60% chance for an additional combo point after a finisher and only three 'planned' points for SnD, 5-6 seconds left on SnD for X seems like a decent value to perform Evis and still be able to refresh SnD in time. If not, cut SnD to 2 points and ignore Evis in this cycle.
At least that is how I'm currently playing, there may be room for improvement of course (and if there is, please let me know).

So basically you're correct; if SnD falls under a value of X seconds, do not perform Eviscerate, just wait for energy to reach 60-70 and refresh it early.

// Edit
Recently there has been discussion on a fast mainhand combat build, which, according to the DPS Spreadsheet, seems to perform quite well with the increased haste (10% more SnD and 10% through 3 points in Lightning Reflexes - albeit this would be a change for 3.1, for which we do not have all changes available yet) and the resulting increase in poison damage.
It might be interesting to compare the results.
More discussion can be found in the Roguecraft Spreadsheet thread, they're even considering a Shiv build for this setup (*shiver*), which I think is not yet implemented in your tool.

Tinwhisker · 02/13/09, 8:21 PM

Originally Posted by sp00n

More discussion can be found in the Roguecraft Spreadsheet thread, they're even considering a Shiv build for this setup (*shiver*), which I think is not yet implemented in your tool.

While fast mainhand weapons may be a real possibility, I would not recommend spending any time developing any of the Shiv mechanics. Every time Shiv has started to show itself as a possible Combo Point builder, Blizzard has put the brakes on that faster than any other changes they've ever made.

sp00n · 02/14/09, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tinwhisker

While fast mainhand weapons may be a real possibility, I would not recommend spending any time developing any of the Shiv mechanics. Every time Shiv has started to show itself as a possible Combo Point builder, Blizzard has put the brakes on that faster than any other changes they've ever made.

Which is a good thing imo. First, it feels really awkward (even more than putting your slower weapon in the OH for Mutilate), and second you'd need to bind your primary attack to your mousewheel if you'd like to raid for longer than 1-2 hours.

dedmonwakeen · 03/05/09, 4:05 PM

SimulationCraft for World of Warcraft build 3.1.0 (iterations=1000, max_time=300, optimal_raid=1)

DPS Ranking:
  40501 100.0%  Raid
   6338  15.6%  Rogue_T8_51_13_07
   6141  15.2%  Rogue_T8_07_21_43
   5738  14.2%  Rogue_T8_07_51_13
   5733  14.1%  Rogue_T8_15_51_05_S
   5642  13.9%  Rogue_T8_15_51_05_M
   5489  13.5%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02
   5441  13.4%  Rogue_T8_15_51_05_FD

Player=Rogue_T8_07_21_43  DPS=6141.3 (Error=+/-7.4 Range=+/-402)  DPR=312.6  RPS=19.6/19.5  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=124  agility=1631  stamina=1216  intellect=41  spirit=72  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=4783  hit=8.1%  crit=33.4%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    backstab              Count= 32.4| 8.8sec  DPE=3724| 7%  DPET=2979  DPR=65.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2449  Crit=5042|6907|49.6%  Dodge=0.4%
    eviscerate            Count= 82.6| 3.4sec  DPE=6695|32%  DPET=5357  DPR=191.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4248  Crit=8749|11713|54.8%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_main_hand       Count=323.6| 0.9sec  DPE=1223|23%  DPET=1396  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 914  Crit=1892|2338|49.5%  Glance= 688|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=416.2| 0.7sec  DPE= 713|17%  DPET=1047  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 534  Crit=1105|1365|49.4%  Glance= 402|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 13.4|21.5sec  DPE=10091| 8%  DPET=8072  DPR=403.6  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=129  Tick=1046
    wound_poison          Count=356.2| 0.8sec  DPE= 691|14%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 591  Crit= 913|1098|31.0%

Player=Rogue_T8_07_51_13  DPS=5738.3 (Error=+/-8.9 Range=+/-460)  DPR=286.2  RPS=20.1/19.8  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=124  agility=1418  stamina=1216  intellect=41  spirit=72  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=4730  hit=8.1%  crit=30.9%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 16.4|16.7sec  DPE=4699| 5%  DPET=3759  DPR=134.3  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2875  Crit=7142|9620|42.7%
    killing_spree         Count=  2.8|127.1sec  DPE=17403| 3%  DPET=6374  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.1%  TickCount=14  Tick=2568  CritTick=4792|6580|42.5%
    melee_main_hand       Count=255.2| 1.2sec  DPE=1606|25%  DPET=1255  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1276  Crit=2635|3826|42.3%  Glance= 959|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=384.4| 0.7sec  DPE= 695|16%  DPET= 943  DPR= inf  Miss=13.0%  Hit= 552  Crit=1141|1658|42.3%  Glance= 415|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.8|23.2sec  DPE=11460| 8%  DPET=9168  DPR=458.4  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=116  Tick=1159
    sinister_strike       Count=117.1| 2.4sec  DPE=2911|21%  DPET=2328  DPR=76.6  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1793  Crit=4437|5356|42.5%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=478.2| 0.6sec  DPE= 738|22%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 579  Crit=1074|1514|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_15_51_05_FD  DPS=5441.3 (Error=+/-7.9 Range=+/-422)  DPR=268.2  RPS=20.3/20.1  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=124  agility=1418  stamina=1216  intellect=41  spirit=72  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=4730  hit=8.1%  crit=30.9%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 19.8|13.8sec  DPE=4570| 6%  DPET=3656  DPR=130.6  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2814  Crit=6952|9353|42.4%
    killing_spree         Count=  2.8|127.0sec  DPE=19968| 4%  DPET=7326  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=14  Tick=2673  CritTick=5472|7540|48.7%
    melee_main_hand       Count=222.0| 1.3sec  DPE=1619|23%  DPET=1269  DPR= inf  Miss=13.0%  Hit=1237  Crit=2554|3719|47.2%  Glance= 930|24.1%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=385.2| 0.7sec  DPE= 703|18%  DPET= 955  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 536  Crit=1107|1612|47.3%  Glance= 403|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.9|22.8sec  DPE=9459| 7%  DPET=7567  DPR=378.4  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=118  Tick=957
    sinister_strike       Count=115.6| 2.4sec  DPE=2804|21%  DPET=2244  DPR=73.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1403  Crit=4093|4896|52.3%  Dodge=0.4%
    wound_poison          Count=452.5| 0.6sec  DPE= 737|22%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 579  Crit=1073|1514|32.0%

Player=Rogue_T8_15_51_05_M  DPS=5642.0 (Error=+/-8.9 Range=+/-514)  DPR=278.2  RPS=20.3/20.0  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=124  agility=1418  stamina=1216  intellect=41  spirit=72  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=4730  hit=8.1%  crit=30.9%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 19.8|13.8sec  DPE=4552| 6%  DPET=3642  DPR=130.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2814  Crit=6960|9353|41.9%
    killing_spree         Count=  2.8|127.1sec  DPE=19188| 3%  DPET=7037  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.1%  TickCount=14  Tick=2679  CritTick=5543|7731|41.8%
    melee_main_hand       Count=230.9| 1.2sec  DPE=1575|23%  DPET=1283  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1253  Crit=2587|3768|42.2%  Glance= 941|24.1%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=385.3| 0.7sec  DPE= 712|17%  DPET= 967  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 564  Crit=1166|1698|42.5%  Glance= 424|23.9%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.9|22.9sec  DPE=9450| 7%  DPET=7559  DPR=378.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=118  Tick=956
    sinister_strike       Count=115.6| 2.5sec  DPE=3293|24%  DPET=2634  DPR=86.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1818  Crit=5305|6413|42.5%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=447.9| 0.6sec  DPE= 737|21%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 578  Crit=1072|1514|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_15_51_05_S  DPS=5732.7 (Error=+/-9.1 Range=+/-439)  DPR=282.8  RPS=20.3/20.0  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=124  agility=1418  stamina=1216  intellect=41  spirit=72  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=4730  hit=8.1%  crit=30.9%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 19.8|13.8sec  DPE=4543| 6%  DPET=3634  DPR=129.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2817  Crit=6964|9353|41.6%
    killing_spree         Count=  2.8|127.4sec  DPE=18852| 3%  DPET=6905  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.3%  TickCount=14  Tick=2610  CritTick=5428|7540|42.4%
    melee_main_hand       Count=255.1| 1.2sec  DPE=1559|24%  DPET=1222  DPR= inf  Miss=12.8%  Hit=1240  Crit=2561|3719|42.2%  Glance= 931|24.2%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=385.3| 0.7sec  DPE= 676|16%  DPET= 918  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 537  Crit=1108|1612|42.4%  Glance= 403|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 12.0|22.8sec  DPE=9456| 7%  DPET=7564  DPR=378.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=118  Tick=957
    sinister_strike       Count=115.4| 2.5sec  DPE=3151|22%  DPET=2521  DPR=82.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1743  Crit=5086|6137|42.3%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=477.8| 0.6sec  DPE= 738|22%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 579  Crit=1073|1514|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02  DPS=5489.2 (Error=+/-7.9 Range=+/-449)  DPR=311.4  RPS=17.6/17.4  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=124  agility=1418  stamina=1216  intellect=41  spirit=72  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=4730  hit=8.1%  crit=30.9%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    backstab              Count= 77.2| 3.7sec  DPE=5997|30%  DPET=4798  DPR=105.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2413  Crit=7042|8447|77.6%  Dodge=0.4%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|124.5sec  DPE=15256| 3%  DPET=5553  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=15  Tick=2143  CritTick=4092|5762|47.1%
    melee_main_hand       Count=311.5| 0.9sec  DPE=1117|22%  DPET=1228  DPR= inf  Miss=13.0%  Hit= 849  Crit=1756|2563|47.6%  Glance= 639|23.8%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=400.7| 0.7sec  DPE= 653|17%  DPET= 923  DPR= inf  Miss=12.8%  Hit= 496  Crit=1025|1502|47.6%  Glance= 373|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count=  8.9|31.8sec  DPE=11485| 7%  DPET=9192  DPR=459.4  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=109  Tick=934
    wound_poison          Count=386.1| 0.7sec  DPE= 882|22%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 692  Crit=1282|1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_51_13_07  DPS=6338.0 (Error=+/-9.4 Range=+/-449)  DPR=391.6  RPS=16.2/15.9  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=124  agility=1418  stamina=1216  intellect=41  spirit=72  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=4570  hit=8.1%  crit=30.9%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    deadly_poison         Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE= inf| 7%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=nan%  TickCount=83  Tick=1590
    envenom               Count= 21.4|12.9sec  DPE=7454| 9%  DPET=5962  DPR=213.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5014  Crit=10765|15112|42.7%  Dodge=0.3%
    instant_poison        Count=149.0| 1.9sec  DPE=2106|17%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1761  Crit=2829|3448|32.3%
    melee_main_hand       Count=403.5| 0.7sec  DPE=1017|23%  DPET=1447  DPR= inf  Miss=13.0%  Hit= 766  Crit=1647|2027|45.4%  Glance= 576|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=403.5| 0.7sec  DPE= 765|17%  DPET=1088  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 576  Crit=1236|1522|45.4%  Glance= 432|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    mutilate              Count=117.8| 4.9sec  DPE=2916|19%  DPET=4657  DPR=111.4  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1470  Crit=3657|4815|66.4%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 11.8|24.1sec  DPE=11392| 7%  DPET=9115  DPR=455.7  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=112  Tick=1196

Gains:

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        energy_regen=2841.4
        focused_attacks=917.5
        relentless_strikes=773.7

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02:
        adrenaline_rush=372.7
        combat_potency=1029.5
        energy_regen=3540.1

    Rogue_T8_15_51_05_FD:
        adrenaline_rush=331.4
        combat_potency=976.1
        energy_regen=3481.2
        relentless_strikes=917.2

    Rogue_T8_15_51_05_M:
        adrenaline_rush=329.2
        combat_potency=975.0
        energy_regen=3480.1
        relentless_strikes=915.5

    Rogue_T8_15_51_05_S:
        adrenaline_rush=330.1
        combat_potency=968.4
        energy_regen=3481.0
        relentless_strikes=919.0

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        adrenaline_rush=338.7
        combat_potency=972.2
        energy_regen=3488.6
        relentless_strikes=836.0

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        energy_regen=2835.3
        relentless_strikes=2706.4

Procs:

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        combo_points=170.6|1.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|40.6sec
        deadly_poisons=187.6|1.5sec
        ruthlessness=19.9|14.3sec
        seal_fate=52.2|5.4sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02:
        combo_points=75.7|3.8sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|40.7sec

    Rogue_T8_15_51_05_FD:
        combo_points=186.6|1.5sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|40.6sec
        ruthlessness=19.0|15.0sec

    Rogue_T8_15_51_05_M:
        combo_points=186.6|1.5sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|40.6sec
        ruthlessness=19.1|14.9sec

    Rogue_T8_15_51_05_S:
        combo_points=186.8|1.5sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|40.7sec
        ruthlessness=19.1|14.9sec
        sword_specialization=33.1|8.6sec

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        combo_points=169.7|1.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|40.6sec
        sword_specialization=33.7|8.4sec

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        combo_points=543.3|0.5sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|40.6sec
        honor_among_thieves=567.9|0.5sec

Up-Times:

    Global:
        100.0% : blood_frenzy
        100.0% : improved_scorch
        100.0% : mangle
        100.0% : master_poisoner
        100.0% : savage_combat
        100.0% : totem_of_wrath
        100.0% : winters_chill

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        29.4% : berserking_mh
        29.4% : berserking_oh
         0.0% : energy_cap
        40.1% : envenom
        98.0% : hunger_for_blood
        100.0% : poisoned
        99.5% : slice_and_dice
        20.0% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02:
        35.4% : berserking_mh
        24.6% : berserking_oh
        18.2% : blade_flurry
         0.5% : energy_cap
        89.4% : slice_and_dice
        19.7% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_15_51_05_FD:
        46.4% : berserking_mh
        25.1% : berserking_oh
        18.7% : blade_flurry
         3.6% : energy_cap
        97.0% : slice_and_dice
        20.0% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_15_51_05_M:
        45.7% : berserking_mh
        24.6% : berserking_oh
        18.7% : blade_flurry
         3.7% : energy_cap
        97.1% : slice_and_dice
        20.0% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_15_51_05_S:
        48.8% : berserking_mh
        24.8% : berserking_oh
        18.7% : blade_flurry
         3.7% : energy_cap
        97.1% : slice_and_dice
        20.0% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        48.9% : berserking_mh
        24.9% : berserking_oh
        18.7% : blade_flurry
         3.2% : energy_cap
        96.5% : slice_and_dice
        20.4% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        27.7% : berserking_mh
        22.8% : berserking_oh
        19.0% : blade_flurry
         0.4% : energy_cap
        99.1% : slice_and_dice
        20.8% : tricks_of_the_trade

Waiting:
    49.9% : Rogue_T8_51_13_07
    51.5% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02
    18.3% : Rogue_T8_15_51_05_FD
    18.4% : Rogue_T8_15_51_05_M
    18.5% : Rogue_T8_15_51_05_S
    18.6% : Rogue_T8_07_51_13
    35.2% : Rogue_T8_07_21_43

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 15787597
  MaxEventQueue = 74
  SimSeconds    = 284580
  CpuSeconds    = 20
  SpeedUp       = 14229

In the context of a larger raid: SampleOutputPTR - simulationcraft - Google Code

EDIT: To 3.1 differences in source code, search for P309.

Latito · 03/05/09, 4:35 PM

The Combat rogue with Fist/Dagger should be using a 1.4 speed dagger. The HAT rogue should be using a 2.6 speed Fist mainhand and a slow dagger offhand.

Not sure if you want to test with current weapons (Sinister Revenge and Calamity's Grasp are both 171 dps) or just stick with all iLevel 213 weapons (156 dps). Also, it might be interesting to see how the specs change as weapon damage increases with iLevel by giving all specs a 226 iLevel weapon (171 dps).

Tinwhisker · 03/05/09, 4:52 PM

I'm glad to see work on 3.1 going into this but I think it's still a bit early to take any of the numbers seriously.

A few things I will add though:

Instant and Wound are now on PPM, Deadly is unchanged. PPM is based off 1.4 speed to give the same % chance that they had in 3.0.9, slower weapons will then have greater chance to proc poisons and result in higher DPS.
The new PPM formula for Instant Poison makes a slower weapon more desirable in the MH for Mutilate. Dual Webbed Death is not ideal. Swap the mainhand for Sinister Revenge.
You may want to add 51/18/2 (with the new Lightning Reflexes haste) to your sample Mutilate builds.

dedmonwakeen · 03/05/09, 6:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tinwhisker

I'm glad to see work on 3.1 going into this but I think it's still a bit early to take any of the numbers seriously.

A few things I will add though:

Instant and Wound are now on PPM, Deadly is unchanged. PPM is based off 1.4 speed to give the same % chance that they had in 3.0.9, slower weapons will then have greater chance to proc poisons and result in higher DPS.
The new PPM formula for Instant Poison makes a slower weapon more desirable in the MH for Mutilate. Dual Webbed Death is not ideal. Swap the mainhand for Sinister Revenge.
You may want to add 51/18/2 (with the new Lightning Reflexes haste) to your sample Mutilate builds.

The numbers are mostly there for folks to say: "Well, -that- can't be right!" Which in turn helps me debug......

The Instant/Wound poisons are implemented via PPM, 8 and 20 respectively........

Thanks for the talent/gear advice. I've found the hardest thing about the Rogue module is driving the Gear/Talent/AI.....

PessimiStick · 03/06/09, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen

The numbers are mostly there for folks to say: "Well, -that- can't be right!" Which in turn helps me debug......

The Instant/Wound poisons are implemented via PPM, 8 and 20 respectively........

Thanks for the talent/gear advice. I've found the hardest thing about the Rogue module is driving the Gear/Talent/AI.....

From the data I've seen I'm decently sure that the poisons are exactly normalized to 1.4 (minus rounding error), which would be 8.57 PPM and 21.43 PPM.

The first thing I noticed was that your Combat specs are incorrect. 18/51/2 is the 3.1 spec as every version of combat will have Lightning Reflexes. For CQC Combat, this would be: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Additionally, the poison numbers for Combat seemed a bit low. Here is the output for CQC:

Player=Rogue_T8_15_51_05_FD  DPS=5441.3 (Error=+/-7.9 Range=+/-422)  DPR=268.2  RPS=20.3/20.1  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=124  agility=1418  stamina=1216  intellect=41  spirit=72  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=4730  hit=8.1%  crit=30.9%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 19.8|13.8sec  DPE=4570| 6%  DPET=3656  DPR=130.6  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2814  Crit=6952|9353|42.4%
    killing_spree         Count=  2.8|127.0sec  DPE=19968| 4%  DPET=7326  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=14  Tick=2673  CritTick=5472|7540|48.7%
    melee_main_hand       Count=222.0| 1.3sec  DPE=1619|23%  DPET=1269  DPR= inf  Miss=13.0%  Hit=1237  Crit=2554|3719|47.2%  Glance= 930|24.1%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=385.2| 0.7sec  DPE= 703|18%  DPET= 955  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 536  Crit=1107|1612|47.3%  Glance= 403|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.9|22.8sec  DPE=9459| 7%  DPET=7567  DPR=378.4  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=118  Tick=957
    sinister_strike       Count=115.6| 2.4sec  DPE=2804|21%  DPET=2244  DPR=73.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1403  Crit=4093|4896|52.3%  Dodge=0.4%
    wound_poison          Count=452.5| 0.6sec  DPE= 737|22%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 579  Crit=1073|1514|32.0%

With a 2.6 MH, expected Wound proc is ~93%, which puts the expected wound hits at (20 + 222 + 12 + 115) * 0.93 + 385 * 0.5 + Killing Spree procs ~= 536+ Wound procs, and the sim only generated 452. That's a fairly large discrepancy. It's also probably worth using 171 DPS for the FD Mainhand since "everyone" will be using Calamity's Grasp.

I'm also not convinced that I like the action logic for the combat specs either, they sit on 4 CP a lot and end up capping energy quite a bit (3.x% uptime on energy cap). I will play around with it when I get some more time and see if there are any other tweaks I would make.

Regardless, thanks for the continued work, I enjoy playing around with the sim. =)

dedmonwakeen · 03/06/09, 6:56 PM

Originally Posted by PessimiStick

From the data I've seen I'm decently sure that the poisons are exactly normalized to 1.4 (minus rounding error), which would be 8.57 PPM and 21.43 PPM.

The first thing I noticed was that your Combat specs are incorrect. 18/51/2 is the 3.1 spec as every version of combat will have Lightning Reflexes. For CQC Combat, this would be: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Additionally, the poison numbers for Combat seemed a bit low.

I'm also not convinced that I like the action logic for the combat specs either, they sit on 4 CP a lot and end up capping energy quite a bit (3.x% uptime on energy cap). I will play around with it when I get some more time and see if there are any other tweaks I would make.

Hmmm...... When I cut-n-paste the ptr.wowhead links in the profiles, it looks like I picked up Lightning Reflexes...... but the build as a whole is different from what you have, so I'll rework it.

Thanks for the heads-up on poison procs......

The problem is due to:
(1) 20ppm is too low (normalized around 1.5sec)
(2) evis and rup don't include weapon damage, so the "weapon" field is not set. Now I set weapon, but force weapon_multiplier=0

This has been fixed in r1691 for folks playing with SVN.

Later tonight I'll work on talent changes to the profiles.

Ends · 03/07/09, 8:14 AM

Do you include armor penetration in your modeling? And if so does it factor in the 25% increase to armor penetration? I did my best to look over the code and couldn't see anything that seemed to pertain to armor other then expose armor, imp expose armor, and serrated blade talents. I am next to illiterate when it comes to reading the code, however.

Starfox · 03/07/09, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Ends

Do you include armor penetration in your modeling? And if so does it factor in the 25% increase to armor penetration? I did my best to look over the code and couldn't see anything that seemed to pertain to armor other then expose armor, imp expose armor, and serrated blade talents. I am next to illiterate when it comes to reading the code, however.

ArPen is in, and the 25% effectivness boost is in with
r1692 - simulationcraft - Google Code
r1699 also has the 25% boost to expertise, but we'll have to see what the blueposts say, if it is intended or a bug.

dedmonwakeen · 03/07/09, 2:01 PM

DPS Ranking:
  41656 100.0%  Raid
   6519  15.6%  Rogue_T8_07_21_43
   6418  15.4%  Rogue_T8_51_13_07
   5951  14.3%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S
   5843  14.0%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M
   5737  13.8%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD
   5656  13.6%  Rogue_T8_07_51_13
   5551  13.3%  Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS

Player=Rogue_T8_07_21_43  DPS=6519.4 (Error=+/-2.4 Range=+/-479)  DPR=327.8  RPS=19.9/19.7  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1482  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3935  hit=8.1%  crit=31.6%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 87.2| 3.3sec  DPE=6865|32%  DPET=5970  DPR=196.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=4216  Crit=8687|11571|59.6%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_main_hand       Count=229.3| 1.3sec  DPE=1802|22%  DPET=1421  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1347  Crit=2788|3402|49.6%  Glance=1014|23.9%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=331.6| 0.9sec  DPE= 915|16%  DPET=1044  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 685  Crit=1417|1733|49.5%  Glance= 515|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 13.9|21.5sec  DPE=9993| 7%  DPET=8690  DPR=399.7  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=132  Tick=1052
    sinister_strike       Count= 43.7| 6.7sec  DPE=2173| 5%  DPET=1890  DPR=50.8  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1379  Crit=2844|3853|54.6%  Dodge=0.4%
    wound_poison          Count=503.3| 0.6sec  DPE= 696|18%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 595  Crit= 920|1098|31.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_07_51_13  DPS=5656.2 (Error=+/-2.5 Range=+/-472)  DPR=276.4  RPS=20.5/20.2  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 17.5|16.1sec  DPE=4834| 5%  DPET=4204  DPR=138.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2848  Crit=7053|9503|47.2%
    killing_spree         Count=  2.9|126.2sec  DPE=17933| 3%  DPET=6565  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=15  Tick=2544  CritTick=4793|6459|47.7%
    melee_main_hand       Count=226.8| 1.3sec  DPE=1691|23%  DPET=1319  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1287  Crit=2660|3854|47.5%  Glance= 968|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=422.1| 0.7sec  DPE= 670|17%  DPET= 971  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 510  Crit=1053|1528|47.5%  Glance= 383|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 12.1|23.1sec  DPE=11478| 8%  DPET=9980  DPR=459.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=120  Tick=1159
    sinister_strike       Count=122.5| 2.4sec  DPE=2588|19%  DPET=2251  DPR=68.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1463  Crit=3621|4322|52.4%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=527.3| 0.6sec  DPE= 738|24%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 579  Crit=1073|1514|32.1%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS  DPS=5551.3 (Error=+/-2.6 Range=+/-529)  DPR=314.4  RPS=17.7/17.4  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    backstab              Count= 79.3| 3.7sec  DPE=5932|29%  DPET=5159  DPR=104.1  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2384  Crit=6964|8347|77.6%  Dodge=0.3%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|124.5sec  DPE=15054| 3%  DPET=5474  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.3%  TickCount=15  Tick=2111  CritTick=4025|5694|47.4%
    melee_main_hand       Count=319.0| 0.9sec  DPE=1105|22%  DPET=1212  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 841  Crit=1737|2542|47.5%  Glance= 632|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=410.6| 0.7sec  DPE= 645|16%  DPET= 910  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 491  Crit=1015|1484|47.4%  Glance= 369|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count=  9.0|31.8sec  DPE=11751| 7%  DPET=10218  DPR=470.0  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=113  Tick=935
    wound_poison          Count=429.7| 0.7sec  DPE= 882|23%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 692  Crit=1283|1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD  DPS=5736.7 (Error=+/-2.6 Range=+/-477)  DPR=305.1  RPS=18.8/18.6  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 17.4|16.2sec  DPE=4732| 5%  DPET=4115  DPR=135.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2791  Crit=6913|9242|47.1%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|125.6sec  DPE=19709| 4%  DPET=7185  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=15  Tick=2600  CritTick=5436|7403|48.0%
    melee_main_hand       Count=226.8| 1.3sec  DPE=1644|22%  DPET=1283  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1251  Crit=2585|3748|47.5%  Glance= 940|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=422.1| 0.7sec  DPE= 651|16%  DPET= 944  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 495  Crit=1023|1487|47.5%  Glance= 372|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.9|23.6sec  DPE=9452| 7%  DPET=8219  DPR=378.1  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=118  Tick=955
    sinister_strike       Count=110.0| 2.6sec  DPE=2851|19%  DPET=2479  DPR=75.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1424  Crit=4153|4954|52.5%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=516.0| 0.6sec  DPE= 886|27%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 695  Crit=1288|1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M  DPS=5843.3 (Error=+/-2.8 Range=+/-575)  DPR=314.8  RPS=18.6/18.3  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 17.0|16.7sec  DPE=4785| 5%  DPET=4161  DPR=136.7  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2945  Crit=7292|9750|42.3%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|125.5sec  DPE=19288| 3%  DPET=7032  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.2%  TickCount=15  Tick=2674  CritTick=5492|7649|42.6%
    melee_main_hand       Count=235.8| 1.2sec  DPE=1565|22%  DPET=1270  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1242  Crit=2566|3728|42.5%  Glance= 933|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=393.7| 0.7sec  DPE= 705|16%  DPET= 955  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 560  Crit=1156|1680|42.5%  Glance= 421|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.8|23.7sec  DPE=9448| 7%  DPET=8215  DPR=377.9  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=117  Tick=954
    sinister_strike       Count=108.5| 2.7sec  DPE=3267|21%  DPET=2840  DPR=86.0  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1802  Crit=5258|6345|42.6%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=509.2| 0.6sec  DPE= 885|26%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 695  Crit=1288|1817|32.1%

Player=Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S  DPS=5951.2 (Error=+/-2.9 Range=+/-566)  DPR=320.7  RPS=18.6/18.3  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3902  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.2  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    eviscerate            Count= 17.0|16.7sec  DPE=4534| 4%  DPET=3943  DPR=129.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=2794  Crit=6916|9242|42.2%
    killing_spree         Count=  3.0|125.5sec  DPE=18762| 3%  DPET=6838  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.3%  TickCount=15  Tick=2584  CritTick=5358|7451|42.7%
    melee_main_hand       Count=262.0| 1.2sec  DPE=1548|23%  DPET=1207  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit=1228  Crit=2536|3676|42.5%  Glance= 923|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    melee_off_hand        Count=393.7| 0.7sec  DPE= 670|15%  DPET= 906  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 531  Crit=1098|1593|42.5%  Glance= 399|24.0%  Dodge=0.3%
    rupture               Count= 11.8|23.7sec  DPE=9454| 6%  DPET=8220  DPR=378.2  Miss=0.0%  TickCount=117  Tick=955
    sinister_strike       Count=108.5| 2.7sec  DPE=3123|20%  DPET=2715  DPR=82.2  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1725  Crit=5033|6065|42.4%  Dodge=0.3%
    wound_poison          Count=543.0| 0.6sec  DPE= 887|28%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit= 695  Crit=1289|1817|32.2%

Player=Rogue_T8_51_13_07  DPS=6418.4 (Error=+/-3.0 Range=+/-588)  DPR=396.0  RPS=16.2/16.0  (energy)
  Core Stats:  strength=113  agility=1289  stamina=1105  intellect=37  spirit=65  health=18616  mana=0
  Spell Stats:  power=0  hit=10.1%  crit=14.2%  penetration=0  haste=10.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=3742  hit=8.1%  crit=29.3%  expertise=6.1  penetration=0  haste=10.7%
  Actions:
    deadly_poison         Count=  0.0| 0.0sec  DPE= inf| 7%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=nan%  TickCount=85  Tick=1592
    envenom               Count= 22.1|12.9sec  DPE=7488| 9%  DPET=6512  DPR=213.9  Miss=0.0%  Hit=5052  Crit=10839|15112|42.4%  Dodge=0.4%
    instant_poison        Count=167.4| 1.7sec  DPE=2107|19%  DPET= inf  DPR= inf  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1763  Crit=2833|3448|32.2%
    melee_main_hand       Count=413.6| 0.7sec  DPE=1007|22%  DPET=1431  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 758  Crit=1627|2003|45.5%  Glance= 569|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    melee_off_hand        Count=413.6| 0.7sec  DPE= 756|17%  DPET=1075  DPR= inf  Miss=12.9%  Hit= 569  Crit=1222|1504|45.5%  Glance= 427|24.0%  Dodge=0.4%
    mutilate              Count=121.0| 4.8sec  DPE=2894|19%  DPET=5023  DPR=110.5  Miss=0.0%  Hit=1456  Crit=3625|4759|66.6%  Dodge=0.4%
    rupture               Count= 12.0|24.2sec  DPE=11446| 7%  DPET=9952  DPR=457.9  Miss=0.0%  Dodge=0.4%  TickCount=115  Tick=1198

Gains:

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        energy_regen=2911.5
        focused_attacks=943.2
        relentless_strikes=795.9

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        adrenaline_rush=361.7
        combat_potency=1082.5
        energy_regen=3615.2
        relentless_strikes=348.5

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M:
        adrenaline_rush=362.7
        combat_potency=1013.6
        energy_regen=3617.3
        relentless_strikes=343.3

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S:
        adrenaline_rush=362.8
        combat_potency=1011.0
        energy_regen=3617.7
        relentless_strikes=343.6

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS:
        adrenaline_rush=371.9
        combat_potency=1064.1
        energy_regen=3637.8

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        adrenaline_rush=351.0
        combat_potency=1073.8
        energy_regen=3596.9
        relentless_strikes=874.4

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        energy_regen=2911.2
        relentless_strikes=2844.5

Procs:

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        combo_points=175.2|1.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        deadly_poisons=193.0|1.5sec
        ruthlessness=20.4|14.3sec
        seal_fate=53.7|5.4sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        combo_points=176.7|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        ruthlessness=17.6|16.5sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M:
        combo_points=174.4|1.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        ruthlessness=17.3|16.9sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S:
        combo_points=174.3|1.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        ruthlessness=17.3|16.8sec
        sword_specialization=35.3|8.3sec

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS:
        combo_points=77.8|3.7sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        combo_points=177.6|1.6sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        combo_points=571.1|0.5sec
        darkmoon_greatness=7.0|41.6sec
        honor_among_thieves=581.5|0.5sec

Up-Times:

    Global:
        100.0% : blood_frenzy
        100.0% : improved_scorch
        100.0% : mangle
        100.0% : master_poisoner
        100.0% : savage_combat
        100.0% : totem_of_wrath
        100.0% : winters_chill

    Rogue_T8_51_13_07:
        30.5% : berserking_mh
        29.4% : berserking_oh
         0.0% : energy_cap
        39.9% : envenom
        98.1% : hunger_for_blood
        100.0% : poisoned
        99.5% : slice_and_dice
        19.8% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD:
        49.7% : berserking_mh
        24.6% : berserking_oh
        18.2% : blade_flurry
         1.3% : energy_cap
        96.6% : slice_and_dice
        19.8% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M:
        48.6% : berserking_mh
        25.1% : berserking_oh
        18.2% : blade_flurry
         1.2% : energy_cap
        96.5% : slice_and_dice
        19.9% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S:
        51.6% : berserking_mh
        25.1% : berserking_oh
        18.2% : blade_flurry
         1.1% : energy_cap
        96.5% : slice_and_dice
        19.8% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS:
        36.7% : berserking_mh
        24.7% : berserking_oh
        17.8% : blade_flurry
         0.1% : energy_cap
        89.5% : slice_and_dice
        19.6% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_07_51_13:
        51.4% : berserking_mh
        24.6% : berserking_oh
        18.2% : blade_flurry
         2.1% : energy_cap
        96.6% : slice_and_dice
        19.8% : tricks_of_the_trade

    Rogue_T8_07_21_43:
        48.6% : berserking_mh
        23.1% : berserking_oh
        18.4% : blade_flurry
         0.0% : energy_cap
        99.2% : slice_and_dice
        20.4% : tricks_of_the_trade

Waiting:
    53.8% : Rogue_T8_51_13_07
    26.9% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_FD
    27.4% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_M
    27.4% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_S
    55.0% : Rogue_T8_18_51_02_BS
    22.4% : Rogue_T8_07_51_13
    35.6% : Rogue_T8_07_21_43

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 172206706
  MaxEventQueue = 76
  SimSeconds    = 2915628
  CpuSeconds    = 213
  SpeedUp       = 13688

Note:

Sword spec not really as good as listed since it appears that the necessary one-handers just don't seem available......

Lag and GCD/Channel penalties have changed at bit as well.....

koaschten · 03/07/09, 5:01 PM

Is 51/13/7 really so much better because of the ArP change than 51/18/2 or did noone yet suggest the spec with haste from lightning reflexes? Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft