There was a bluepost on the eu ptr forum about characters copied before the realm was actually enabled. You needed to quote a specific post in order for them to look into it. I think they closed and removed the post a few hours ago stating they'd recieved the feedback they needed.

Anyway I got my character (copied 20mins after the character copy was enabled - to the correct 3.1 realm that is) yesterday. You wont see it on the realm selection screen as its probably up for renaming, but if the status page list your character as succesfully copied, chances are you'll find it on Brill.
To sum up: characters copied before the realm was enabled are probably lost in the void, characters copied after the realm was enabled and are listed as succesfully transfered are likely not showing on the realm selection list but they're there

*shrug* It's fine apart from the helm, although the large collar will probably make my gnome look like a refugee from the Addams family. I've never seen a helmet I actually liked, for any class/race/tier, so I generally just switch it off.

I have had a character pending for copy for several days now. I can access PTR though, and when I checked Brill out yesterday on a level 1 character, there were a handful of level 80 rogues online.

I initiated my character transfer Friday (atleast I think it was Friday) and it went through Monday evening.
I've been able to connect, but not for very long due to #132 crashes.

Overall : Exid
SR & Anarchy double IP 51.13.7 (5/5 Imp Poisons) with 271 haste

Was going to test with LR and 490 haste but got stuck in Orgri with #132 on my way to the trainer.

There is no blue post or anything but this talent really needs some change. It is really annoying that such a big part of our damage changes from boss to boss. So I (and I am surely not the only one) hope that Murder either gets removed or changed to work against any kind of creature. A simple solution would be to remove it and work the damage modifier into Hunger for Blood and/or have a overworked version of master poisoner (Enevenom not removing (all) Deadly Posion stacks) replace its current place in the talent tree.

In Ulduar for example a lot of mechanical enemies will be around as well as a proto drake boss, Yogg-Saron (if I remember correctly C'Thun wasn't classified as any creature type) and humanoids. So this talent would be a very strong upgrade on some of the fights while being completly useless on the others.

So either Mutilate damage is 4% higher than it should against targets against which Murder works or too low against the other type. If the fights turn out to be really though than switching talent specs between a lot of the fights will have a great benefit, which in my opinion is bad design.

I'm fairly confident that the SnD glyph can be dropped from a Mutilate build with little consequence once you've got mostly epics. I'd say even before then but I can't say that for sure.

As for the look of the T8 and "fighting the plague". It appears more to me that rogue gear is designed to make us blend in with the plague victims. I can see myself hiding the helm though, not for any other reason except that all helms look ridiculous on Gnomes.

I'm guessing SR/SR would be optimal for the IP/IP build, but what sort of difference are we talking about here over an IP/DP build? Would it be worth it to go IP/IP with SR/Anarchy or SR/WD, or do you think it'd be safe to just stick with SR/WD IP/DP?

I find it interesting that Deadly Poison isn't a PPM mechanic like IP and WP - if you remember that there are things that were left out of the PTR patch notes, I think it would make sense to leave it at a flat % if they add a way to make Envenom not consume Deadly Poison. If that isn't the case, though, I fail to see a reason to not make DP a PPM mechanic.

Deadly Poison as a PPM mechanic would strongly favor slow/slow combinations for Mutilate as the slow weapons would have the best Mutilate damage *and* the best Poison damage thanks to PPM normalization on instant strikes. This would lead to another itemization imbalance as well as create a possible burst issue with PvP mutilate.

The only reason I can think of is they want to encourage slow/fast so not to pigeonhole people into one speed of weapons... item diversity, etc.

One more parse. This time SR Anarchy double IP 51-18-0 (5/5 Imp Poisons 3/3LR) 490 haste rating.
Overall : Exid

Now... Judging by my parses it seems like Improved Poisons is bugged and does not work (or my math is just wrong).

Well, if you use same-level weapons, for the offhand, I'm unsure if Deadly as PPM would favor slow weapons too much, it might be a close difference thanks to Focused Attacks; it should at least make weapon speed less of an issue, since Aldriana mentioned a fast OH is "relatively essential", it can easily lead to the same problems we have now (weapon speed being more important than itemlevel).

Actually, no it wouldn't. Mutilate and Focused Attacks cancel each other out quite neatly, for either hand.

I also decided to 'test' Expose armor and Mace Spec stacking.
Grandmaster's Training Dummy (lvl 80 one)
10 Gouges. Tooltip damage : 660.
No Expose: 426 - 427
Expose: 462 - 463
Mace Spec No Expose: 449
Mace Spec Expose: 487

I fail at math so I don't really know what these numbers mean (to arpen stacking with Expose armor) but I hope someone can come up with something from them.

What about the higher poison proc rate due to instants on slow weapons? Would the extra ability usage due to FA energy regen outweigh the extra poison dmg from a higher proc rate on abilities?

Improved poisons now give a 50% chance to apply instant poison to a target. However at the moment it is broken on the ptr along with HfB.

Envenom now gives an additional 15% chance to apply Deadly Poison and a 75% increased frequency of applying Instant Poison for 1 sec plus an additional 1 sec per combo point. (Previously gave a 15% chance to apply both deadly and instant poison)

These are my findings after about 3 hours of testing on the PTR.

Scenario: Over 30 minutes of white swinging against a level 60 training dummy. Not naked, non-weapon gear matching my armory. No specials used, only damage caused was due to white swings and poison procs. Used two identical weapons in each test. Spec: 15/51/5 with 3 points in LR. 234 haste rating.

Math is as follows:
ProcRate=Procs/Swings
SwingSpeed = WeaponSpeed/Haste
Haste=1.0*hasteLR*hasteGear
HasteLR=1.1
HasteGear=1+234/32.77*0.01
SPM=60/SwingSpeed
PPM=ProcRate*SPM
OldPoisonProcRate = .5 (WP), .2 (IP)
OldPoisonProcRate/ProcRate=BreakEvenSpeed/WeaponSpeed
-> BreakEvenSpeed = OldPoisonProcRate * WeaponSpeed / ProcRate
(BreakEvenSpeed explained: The speed a weapon should have to match the 3.0.8 proc rate)

Instant Poison

[Webbed Death]/[Webbed Death]
Hits (Swings - misses): 1932, Procs: 380 => Proc rate: 19.67%

	Unhasted	LR hasted	Rating hasted	LR + Rating hasted
Haste	0.00%	10.00%	7.14%	17.85%
Swing speed	1.40	1.27	1.31	1.19
Swings per minute	42.86	47.14	45.92	50.51
PPM	8.43	9.27	9.03	9.93
Break-even speed	1.42	1.29	1.33	1.21

[Arcane Forged Shortsword]/[Arcane Forged Shortsword]
Hits (Swings - misses): 3038, Procs: 1113 => Proc rate: 36.64%

	Unhasted	LR hasted	Rating hasted	LR + Rating hasted
Haste	0.00%	10.00%	7.14%	17.85%
Swing speed	2.60	2.36	2.43	2.21
Swings per minute	23.08	25.38	24.72	27.20
PPM	8.45	9.30	9.06	9.96
Break-even speed	1.42	1.29	1.32	1.20

Wounding Poison

[Webbed Death]/[Webbed Death]
Hits (Swings - misses): 3898, Procs: 1982 => Proc rate: 50.85%

	Unhasted	LR hasted	Rating hasted	LR + Rating hasted
Haste	0.00%	10.00%	7.14%	17.85%
Swing speed	1.4	1.27	1.31	1.19
Swings per minute	42.86	47.14	45.92	50.51
PPM	21.79	23.97	23.35	25.68
Break-even speed	1.38	1.25	1.28	1.17

[Arcane Forged Shortsword]/[Arcane Forged Shortsword]
Hits (Swings - misses): 1567, Procs: 1455 => Proc rate: 92.85%

	Unhasted	LR hasted	Rating hasted	LR + Rating hasted
Haste	0.00%	10.00%	7.14%	17.85%
Swing speed	2.60	2.36	2.43	2.21
Swings per minute	23.08	25.38	24.72	27.20
PPM	21.43	23.57	22.96	25.25
Break-even speed	1.40	1.27	1.31	1.19

In light of these findings, I wanted to check to see if the speed was in fact normalized to the old proc rate at 1.4 speed. This would mean that every single hit with a 2.8 speed weapon would proc wound poison.

[Warglaive of Azzinoth]/[Stinging Viper] (Yeah, I went into WC.)
Hits (Swings - misses): 794, Procs: 794 => Proc rate: 100.00%

	Unhasted	LR hasted	Rating hasted	LR + Rating hasted
Haste	0.00%	10.00%	7.14%	17.85%
Swing speed	2.80	2.55	2.61	2.38
Swings per minute	21.43	23.57	22.96	25.25
PPM	21.43	23.57	22.96	25.25
Break-even speed	1.40	1.27	1.31	1.19

I'm going to run a longer 2.8 speed test (as this one was interrupted by a client crash), but I'm starting to feel pretty confident that the poison proc rate is normalized at 1.4 base weapon speed, and the procrate is unaffected by haste effects. What this means is that using 1.4 speed weapons makes your damage equal to 3.0.8 levels, and having a slower weapon only increases your damage (assuming that the damage done per proc is the same). Hopefully my calculations are correct, please feel free to verify my results :o. My next test is whether or not yellow attacks are normalized to some different constant than the base weapon speed.

50% increased frequency is the same thing as a 10% increased chance for a 1.4 speed weapon.

The frequency is a percentage modifier to the PPM, so 8.56 PPM increases to 12.84 with imp poisons, and 22.37 with imp and the envenom buff up.

On live with improved poisons and the envenom buff there's a 45% chance to proc instant poison. At 22.37 PPM, correct me if my math is wrong

60/(22.37/0.45)=1.21

It would take a 1.21 swing speed weapon on live to get 22.37 PPM for instant poison with improved poison and the envenom buff.

The envenom buff was buffed relatively speaking for 3.1. For a 1.4 speed weapon it's something around 52% proc chance while up.

Are the people that are testing IP/IP Eviscerate, also using the improved Eviscerate talent in there builds?