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Old 07/08/09, 10:05 AM   #326
Baerbel
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Undead Rogue
 
Mannoroth (EU)
Originally Posted by supercharger View Post
i'm having some trouble with macros, which i am brand new to using. i have had success with a macro linking a trinket to an ability but i cannot create a macro linking 2 abilities that actually functions properly. the setup i am using is as follows:
#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/cast Killing Spree
/cast Sinister Strike

when i hit the macro the SS goes off effectively but the Killing Spree will not activate. i know this is not the best place for posting a question like this but it was the closest topic i could find. Thanks in advance for any help.
Originally Posted by supercharger View Post
this doesn't seem to be helping. i have also tried using a shift modifier to no avail.



I got a working macro on my priest: /cast [modifier:shift] Mass Dispel; [modifier:ctrl] Abolish Disease; [modifier:alt, target=player] Dispel Magic; Dispel Magic

So try something like this: /cast [modifier:shift] Killing Spree; Sinister Strike

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Old 07/08/09, 7:07 PM   #327
KasumiRevy
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In an attempt to squeeze every last bit of dps out of my cycles I'm looking for something very specific in the hopes maybe someone here can point me in the right direction. I am looking for something I can use as a timer to track when other players have used tricks of the trade on me. I use class timers and have tried doing this, but it only shows when I apply it, not when someone else has applied it to me. To be straightforward I would prefer that it doesn't show me when I am using it on others, and only shows when it is applied to me by another rogue.

At worst I could probably convince the other rogues I run with to add a line in the macros we use to send me a whisper when they use it, but if I have a time bar on the buff would be better to min/max my dps.

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Old 07/08/09, 8:15 PM   #328
Venenos
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Originally Posted by KasumiRevy View Post
In an attempt to squeeze every last bit of dps out of my cycles I'm looking for something very specific in the hopes maybe someone here can point me in the right direction. I am looking for something I can use as a timer to track when other players have used tricks of the trade on me. I use class timers and have tried doing this, but it only shows when I apply it, not when someone else has applied it to me.
The problem/solution to this, I think, is that the damage component of Tricks of the Trade and the threat transferrence component are named identically, but have different Buff IDs, different parameters, and for all intents and purposes are considered different buffs by the interface. What you could do is go to WoWhead, find the Buff ID for the damage portion of Tricks and get an addon that allows you to filter by that criteria.

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Old 07/08/09, 8:35 PM   #329
strawberryfm
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Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by KasumiRevy View Post
In an attempt to squeeze every last bit of dps out of my cycles I'm looking for something very specific in the hopes maybe someone here can point me in the right direction. I am looking for something I can use as a timer to track when other players have used tricks of the trade on me. I use class timers and have tried doing this, but it only shows when I apply it, not when someone else has applied it to me. To be straightforward I would prefer that it doesn't show me when I am using it on others, and only shows when it is applied to me by another rogue.

At worst I could probably convince the other rogues I run with to add a line in the macros we use to send me a whisper when they use it, but if I have a time bar on the buff would be better to min/max my dps.
I use the addon Bigbrother for this, as it tells who did Tricks of the Trade on what in the chat. The addon is for flask checking and checking who broke the Sheep/Sap etc, but also notes the Misdirects and Tricks of the Trade being cast.

BigBrother - Addons - Curse

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Old 07/08/09, 10:26 PM   #330
Aarcani
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Dwarf Rogue
 
Hydraxis
Or get the addon "trickortreat"

It'll whisper whoever you put tricks on and also notifies you by raid warning type message when tricks is cast on you. Among other things.

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Old 07/09/09, 3:07 PM   #331
Leitka
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Originally Posted by KasumiRevy View Post
In an attempt to squeeze every last bit of dps out of my cycles I'm looking for something very specific in the hopes maybe someone here can point me in the right direction. I am looking for something I can use as a timer to track when other players have used tricks of the trade on me. I use class timers and have tried doing this, but it only shows when I apply it, not when someone else has applied it to me. To be straightforward I would prefer that it doesn't show me when I am using it on others, and only shows when it is applied to me by another rogue.

At worst I could probably convince the other rogues I run with to add a line in the macros we use to send me a whisper when they use it, but if I have a time bar on the buff would be better to min/max my dps.
I use RogueWhistle to track this, as well as tricks sent to and from the rest of the raid's rogues. I've disabled it from reporting to /ra though, just to avoid the spammy-ness of it.
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Old 07/09/09, 8:13 PM   #332
KasumiRevy
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Originally Posted by Venenos View Post
The problem/solution to this, I think, is that the damage component of Tricks of the Trade and the threat transferrence component are named identically, but have different Buff IDs, different parameters, and for all intents and purposes are considered different buffs by the interface. What you could do is go to WoWhead, find the Buff ID for the damage portion of Tricks and get an addon that allows you to filter by that criteria.
I am having no luck finding the buff ID. All I have found is the ID for the beta version and the self cast version. Finding the damage modifier buff is proving difficult, anyone know it or where I could find it?

I think I have found a method to add it directly to classtimer simply by adding a line of code. but I need the correct ID for it to work.

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Old 07/10/09, 12:31 AM   #333
ShadowEric
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Terenas
So, digging on wowhead gets you this:
Tricks of the Trade - Spell - World of Warcraft <-- That's the 30s buff you get after you apply TotT, but before you start attacking. Spell ID 57934.
Tricks of the Trade - Spell - World of Warcraft <-- This is the 6s buff which is applied to the rogue once the rogue starts attacking. Spell ID 59628.
Tricks of the Trade - Spell - World of Warcraft <-- This is the 6s buff which is applied to the player who is the TotT target. Notice how the the buff tooltip includes +15% damage; the previous one above doesn't, which means this is probably correct. Spell ID 57933.

Note that the tooltip when you mouseover those links is the same every time. But click on them to go to wowhead and you'll see a second tooltip showing the buff related to each specific spell ID. This is how you can tell the difference.

I haven't tested this in-game.

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Old 07/10/09, 1:32 AM   #334
KasumiRevy
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I tired that particular ID and it did not work. Either I am coding it wrong (possible) or what I think is more likely is that ID is the beta version of the spell. Spell ID 57934 seems to be the correct version on live, 15 energy, 20 yard range, 30 sec cooldown, but I can't find the adjacent damage buff.

I'm going to double check if it's the coding shortly. The main reason I want to find this, is because a bar would be more manageable and allow better on the fly thinking in relation to my cycles then a /rw or text in the chat window.

Edit: Follow up, the coding is fine. 57934 AND 57933 get the same results. Tricks bar shown for the 6 seconds threat is applied, (by me to the target) no bar for when tricks is applied to me by another rogue. Which leaves me the impression we don't have the correct ID yet, or the classtimer mod is unable to deal with the changes in the buff. On a related note class timers has problems with heroism, anyone have the current live ID for heroism. I tried the only version I see on wowhead, (no results) but you'll notice that the ability is over 2 years old, and I think the spell ID is different or classtimer is really the culprit here and has it's limits.

Last edited by KasumiRevy : 07/10/09 at 1:56 AM.

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Old 07/10/09, 7:52 AM   #335
Bloedhoertje
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Vashj (EU)
You might have a different Spell ID when the other rogue is using the Tricks of the Trade in combination with a Glyph of Tricks of the Trade.
It used to be a good glyph, so he might still have it.

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Old 07/10/09, 2:19 PM   #336
doomtop
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Bleeding Hollow
You could also try using Elkano's BuffBars and filter out buffs cast by you maybe.

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Old 07/10/09, 2:42 PM   #337
Injektilo
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Undead Rogue
 
Illidan
I recently put together a small addon that tracks ICDs and shows the CD on your action bar slot where you have put the trinket (also supports macros with #showtooltip 13-14). Currently only tracks the ICD of trinkets which gives you a buff (like DMC:G, grim toll, mirror of truth, etc) but I'm in the process of adding support for other proc trinkets, and trinkets with ICDs other than 45 seconds.

If someone is interested in this addon, gimme a PM and I'll send you the link.
Quoting this from Page 3....

Does anyone know if there is an updated version of this? I noticed that some of the newer trinkets dont work with this addon and i liked how effective and minimalist it was.

Does anyone know of a similiarly minimal addon that might accomplish the same thing or a way to update the existing addon to include newer trinkets?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 07/10/09, 8:42 PM   #338
Denic
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Orc Death Knight
 
Ner'zhul
Originally Posted by Injektilo View Post
Quoting this from Page 3....

Does anyone know if there is an updated version of this? I noticed that some of the newer trinkets dont work with this addon and i liked how effective and minimalist it was.

Does anyone know of a similiarly minimal addon that might accomplish the same thing or a way to update the existing addon to include newer trinkets?

Thanks in advance.
I don't know of any updates, but it's easily fixed by editing the LUA file.

For example, to get the Mjolnir Runestone to be compatible with this addon, simply find the lines where it shows the trinkets and put this in while keeping the entirety of the format the same:

["Mjolnir Runestone"] = "Mjolnir Runestone",

You can add any number of lines/trinkets. Just make sure the formatting stays the same.

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Old 07/12/09, 5:10 PM   #339
strawberryfm
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Undead Rogue
 
Frostmane (EU)
I wrote quite a few pages back about my modified version of GnomishInterrupter, where "wasted" interrupts were being reported aswell (great for bosses like general vezax, you can see if someone has used his CD). I have now rewritten the addon from scratch using Ace3 and the result can be seen in the link below. I'm happy to recieve feedback about how to improve this addon in the comment section for the addon.

I hope this is not against the rules, and I appologize beforehand if that is the case, I just thought I'd share an addon which has helped me and my guild since Ulduar was released.

IEInterruptAnnounce - Addons - Curse

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Old 07/13/09, 10:54 AM   #340
grimmeld
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Troll Rogue
 
Lightbringer (EU)
About the procodile addon, can anybody tell me how i can add all the poisons to it? I can't seem to find the right ID's

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Old 07/13/09, 3:56 PM   #341
KasumiRevy
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Feathermoon
Originally Posted by Bloedhoertje View Post
You might have a different Spell ID when the other rogue is using the Tricks of the Trade in combination with a Glyph of Tricks of the Trade.
It used to be a good glyph, so he might still have it.
Ah! You are correct! He does have the glyph. I'm not sure where to go from this point. Is there a more in depth site in regards to warcraft spell IDs? Thotbot and wowhead don't seem to be cutting it.

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Old 07/13/09, 5:44 PM   #342
ShadowEric
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Terenas
Originally Posted by KasumiRevy View Post
Ah! You are correct! He does have the glyph. I'm not sure where to go from this point. Is there a more in depth site in regards to warcraft spell IDs? Thotbot and wowhead don't seem to be cutting it.
Wowhead works just fine if you know how to use it. This is how I got the info I gave you here: The Rogue UI: Your Silent Partner

Now when you do a search for Tricks of the Trade on wowhead, you get to this page: tricks of the trade - Wowhead Search

Notice the item and recipe tabs. Those are for the actual glyph. Ignore them. You're on the abilities tab. You see the regular ability. Now go to uncategorized spells. That's where you find the two 6-sec buffs I gave you in my previous post. You'll also find two spells related to having the glyph equipped. Take note of those spell IDs, they might be what you're looking for if a rogue has the TotT glyph. Although I am pretty sure a glyph doesn't modify the spell ID of the actual (de)buff(s), but simply changes the values. You never know though, try those IDs.

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Old 07/14/09, 3:17 PM   #343
Zenoeth
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Bladefist
I know this is a noob question but is there anyway that I can DL your UI latito, aside from that cheater addon that you're developing that is, I just started seriously raiding with my rogue and the default UI seems to be well... undesireable when playing a rogue, having to look all over the screen for important things such as combo points, ICDs of trinkets, poison / buff timers, i've DLed most of the addons you mentioned along with a few others I thought would make my UI look well... cleaner. But I just dont have the time to sit down and config them all due to my raiding / work schedule. If there isnt a way to DL yours is there any "pre setup" UIs that you know of that are easily / quickly Configed? If not im sorry i waste your time if so please let me know. Thx

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Old 07/14/09, 11:26 PM   #344
ShadowEric
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Terenas
KasumiRevy, I tested TotT quickly tonight and logged my combat log. These are the results:

7/14 20:35:32.518  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x010000000056BEB5,"Shadoweric",0x511,0x010000000056BEB5,"Shadoweric",0x511,57934,"Tricks of the Trade",0x1,BUFF
7/14 20:35:32.518  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x010000000056BEB5,"Shadoweric",0x511,0x0100000001897FE8,"Mudhound",0x20512,57934,"Tricks of the Trade",0x1
7/14 20:35:34.355  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x010000000056BEB5,"Shadoweric",0x511,0x010000000056BEB5,"Shadoweric",0x511,59628,"Tricks of the Trade",0x1,BUFF
7/14 20:35:34.355  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x010000000056BEB5,"Shadoweric",0x511,0x010000000056BEB5,"Shadoweric",0x511,57934,"Tricks of the Trade",0x1,BUFF
7/14 20:35:34.859  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x010000000056BEB5,"Shadoweric",0x511,0x0100000001897FE8,"Mudhound",0x20512,57933,"Tricks of the Trade",0x1,BUFF
It matches the spell IDs I posted previously. 57934 is the 30s buff on me and you'll notice a cast_success entry showing who the target is, even though there's no buff on him at this time. Then I start attacking. Spell ID 59628 gets applied to me (the 6s buff) and the 30s one (57934) is removed. My target then gains 57933, the 6s buff with the +15% damage. Sidenote: the delay between the two 6s buff added in a patch not too long ago is clearly visible.

Now I don't have a glyphed TotT so I'm unable to test that, but I'm almost certain it doesn't change the spell IDs, it only modifies the buff variables, in this case the time: 10s instead of 6s.

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Old 07/15/09, 1:57 AM   #345
KasumiRevy
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Originally Posted by doomtop View Post
You could also try using Elkano's BuffBars and filter out buffs cast by you maybe.
This is what finally worked out for me. Using Elkano's Buffbars and filtering self , and just about everything else but Heroism, Tricks of the Trade, and Weapon Enchants.

After my attempts with classtimers. I can say with a great deal of certainty that the culprit was classtimers just not being up to the task.

Overall the results are what I was looking for, and even if it is only a small increase I'm certain using this will increase my dps. Thank you for the help!

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Old 07/15/09, 7:44 AM   #346
Infamous
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Shattered Hand
Originally Posted by KasumiRevy View Post
This is what finally worked out for me. Using Elkano's Buffbars and filtering self , and just about everything else but Heroism, Tricks of the Trade, and Weapon Enchants.

After my attempts with classtimers. I can say with a great deal of certainty that the culprit was classtimers just not being up to the task.

Overall the results are what I was looking for, and even if it is only a small increase I'm certain using this will increase my dps. Thank you for the help!
I use elkanos for every damage increasing buff in a small bar group just above my unit frames, I have not restricted the tricks buff to be self cast or not simply because I don't care. There are two rogues in the raid, if I notice the buff I have either casted it on myself or obviously had it cast on me. Also have the other rogue have multiple tricks macros as killing spree renders any focus version of tricks useless. If you're combat I definitely recommend timing your killing sprees inside their misdirects especially if he has glyphed it however that glyph is a really poor option for his own personal dps.

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Old 07/19/09, 11:26 AM   #347
Leonoire
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Human Rogue
 
Deathwing
So i created a cool-downs macro to reduce the time i spend idling after using a vanish as mutilate, it consumes no GCD at all, as far as I know.
#showtooltip Vanish
/cast Vanish
/cast Coldblood
/cancelaura Stealth
/targetnearestenemy
/cast Attack
/use Potion of Speed

After testing this a little you may have to use it twice to get the attack command sometimes because it seems the first one just faded me from stealth and didn't continue to attack after that. If anyone knows a macro that achieves the same thing but i don't have to use it twice i would be thankful.

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Old 07/19/09, 12:14 PM   #348
InFi
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Undead Rogue
 
Destromath (EU)
Pretty nice. I am thinking about adding TotT to that macro but i will definitely remove Cold Blood because I wait for the 5 CP Envenom to use CB and not on any attack. When using this for XT the CB would be used for Mutilate what I do not want to happen.

I will be testing this today with the addition of TotT.

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Old 07/19/09, 12:58 PM   #349
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Originally Posted by Leonoire View Post
So i created a cool-downs macro to reduce the time i spend idling after using a vanish as mutilate, it consumes no GCD at all, as far as I know.
#showtooltip Vanish
/cast Vanish
/cast Coldblood
/cancelaura Stealth
/targetnearestenemy
/cast Attack
/use Potion of Speed

After testing this a little you may have to use it twice to get the attack command sometimes because it seems the first one just faded me from stealth and didn't continue to attack after that. If anyone knows a macro that achieves the same thing but i don't have to use it twice i would be thankful.
Would /startattack perhaps work where /cast attack does not?

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Old 07/19/09, 5:43 PM   #350
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Originally Posted by Feist-Mok View Post
Would /startattack perhaps work where /cast attack does not?
I've used /startattack since Burning Crusade, and haven't had any issues with it.

Pre-BC, I had to set up some sort of fucked up macro with conditionals that I'm not even sure are still supported.

"If attacking, cast backstab, if not attacking, start attack" was the general jist of the macro way back when.

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