The Rogue UI: Your Silent Partner - Page 5

lawlstuns · 03/28/09, 3:51 PM

If this addon is actually that small, I believe I would use it, seems really compact and easy to see. One question about the buffs bar near the top, what all goes there? If it's only buffs that I need/care about, I would most definately use this

Loot · 03/28/09, 4:09 PM

2 more addons are being seen there: Auracle (it displays these reddish icons when some debuffs/buffs are present). I use it to see sunders, if I have might/battleshout, etc, but may as well implement the functionality in my mod. Thing is, I already scan the target and myself, adding such additional functionality won't hurt the speed, while having another addon doing it results in double processing. So ultimately 1 mega addon > 100 small ones.
The other addon you can see there with 0% is my first addon. It calculates the EP values of all nice things that can happen in 15 seconds window - 2xBerserking, Greatness, Mirror of Truth, Heroism(only the added benefit of stacking hero with [Deprecated Speed Potion Injector]), then monitors for these... the bar actually tells me when it is best to use [Deprecated Speed Potion Injector] - if I'm about 50-60%, then popping it will result in best effect. It is, however, totally individual so unless you patch it for you - it won't be of any use.

poidz · 03/28/09, 9:08 PM

Looks interesting Loot, I would definitely give it a try if you release it as, like you said replaces a few of my many mods to track all the relevant information.

Alacrity · 03/29/09, 2:52 AM

Originally Posted by Vulajin

and it doesn't [yet] track internal cooldowns.
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I actually added a comment onto the EventHorizon addon page asking about the internal cooldowns and was given information that the module was scrapped. I was however given detail and simple instructions how to add your own trinkets and their ICD's to your EventHorizon.

Link: scroll down for the comment by Taroven EventHorizon : WoWInterface Downloads : Casting Bars and Cooldowns

Screenshot of the internal cooldown of Greatness added (Mirror of Truth was added aswell but I didn't have it equipped) and you can see I still have procodile enabled showing the internal cooldown aswell. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/226...2909020159.jpg

saedo · 03/29/09, 6:41 AM

Originally Posted by Alacrity

I actually added a comment onto the EventHorizon addon page asking about the internal cooldowns and was given information that the module was scrapped. I was however given detail and simple instructions how to add your own trinkets and their ICD's to your EventHorizon

I tried this out but with it showing ICD it no longer shows when the trinket buff is active. At best you'd see that your trinket got proc'd.

StarletRox · 03/29/09, 7:58 AM

Originally Posted by saedo

I tried this out but with it showing ICD it no longer shows when the trinket buff is active. At best you'd see that your trinket got proc'd.

I edited the EventHorizon.lua to fix this.

search up "local colors = {" in the file, then at the end add

"internalcooldown = {0.1,0.1,0.1,0.35}," like so:

local colors = {
	sent = {1,1,1,1},
	tick = {1,1,1,1},
	casting = {0,1,0,0.3},
	cooldown = {1,1,1,0.3},
	debuffmine = {1,1,1,0.3},
	debuff = {0.6,0.6,0.6,0.3},
	playerbuff = {0,1,0,0.3},
	default = {1,1,1,1},
	internalcooldown = {0.1,0.1,0.1,0.35},
}

then find "if self.internalcooldown then" in the file, and edit to this:

			if self.internalcooldown then		-- If we have an internal cooldown set for an aura or trinket proc, display it
				local ready = now + self.internalcooldown
				self:AddSegment('internalcooldown', 'default', expirationTime, ready)
			end

now the internal cooldown should be dark grey instead and much easier to distinguish.

I've also added a line at 5 seconds and 12 seconds so I know when I got to refresh SnD/HfB. If anyone wants the code for that just tell me.

alreadytaken · 03/29/09, 9:54 AM

Hello Again!
I got a few PMs asking how i configured SBF like that.
Here is how.
- Create two custom buff frames.
- Move/adjust however you like. ("Buff spacing" on "Layout" tab)
- For debuffs on your current target, everything you need is under "Units" tab. (After assigning, don't forget to check "My Debuffs")
- For self buffs everything you need is under "Spells" tab. Just select sell buffs that you want in your frame and direct them to your frame one by one. There you can find most of the buffs including envenom.

My SBF version is 3.0.7, beta version was lacking some futures last time i checked.

Originally Posted by alreadytaken

Hello!

I find bars useless for timing. They do nothing but overcomplicate it. You all look like... healer alts!
This is what i used to have.

For HfB-Mutilate perfection :
- Get Satrina Buff Frames (SBF).
- "/sbf throttle 0" (thaddius wipe protection)
- Create two custom buff frames, one for your own debuffs on your current target (from center to the right on screenshot), and the second one for self buffs with an expiration sound (from center to the left on screenshot)

Joigahdenn · 03/29/09, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by alreadytaken

Hello Again!
I got a few PMs asking how i configured SBF like that.
Here is how.
- Create two custom buff frames.
- Move/adjust however you like. ("Buff spacing" on "Layout" tab)
- For debuffs on your current target, everything you need is under "Units" tab. (After assigning, don't forget to check "My Debuffs")
- For self buffs everything you need is under "Spells" tab. Just select sell buffs that you want in your frame and direct them to your frame one by one. There you can find most of the buffs including envenom.

My SBF version is 3.0.7, beta version was lacking some futures last time i checked.

I'll respond to this since I was one of the people to ask that question (think I might have PMed you twice by accident).
The problem with setting your SBF UI up this way is that your rupture/dp stack tracker are essentially a Debuffs on boss bar, which you can edit to be only your debuffs. If you're mutilate and never open with garrote or apply any other debuff, that is fine. However, if you're combat or ever use other debuffs on the boss, this might cause problems. For those interested in using alreadytaken's idea about UI, you might want to consider using TellMeWhen (TellMeWhen - Addons - Curse) for the debuffs on the boss, while using SBF for everything else (including debuffs on yourself, trinket procs, general raid buffs on yourself, etc). It took me a while to figure out, but I managed to find and end result I realy like.

naknekm · 03/29/09, 12:42 PM

Does anyone know of an addon that will track both the duration and the cooldown of Tricks of Trade and Killing Spree?

Right now, I have Natur and Rogue Power Bars and neither one will show the duration of ToT and KS; RPB will show the cool down on ToT, but not on KS;

In addition, RPB will show the duration of AR, BF but not the cooldown; Natur shows the Cooldown, but not the duration, so I am not locked into either of them, if I could find something that would do both and KS and ToT.

This is a great thread. I really like being able to see everyones UI and have gotten some good ideas.

Rogar_Nox · 03/29/09, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Alacrity

I actually added a comment onto the EventHorizon addon page asking about the internal cooldowns and was given information that the module was scrapped. I was however given detail and simple instructions how to add your own trinkets and their ICD's to your EventHorizon.

Link: scroll down for the comment by Taroven EventHorizon : WoWInterface Downloads : Casting Bars and Cooldowns

Screenshot of the internal cooldown of Greatness added (Mirror of Truth was added aswell but I didn't have it equipped) and you can see I still have procodile enabled showing the internal cooldown aswell. http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/226...2909020159.jpg

Would you be able to post your LUA for this? I am able to get the FotFF to work, but cannot get Greatness to show. Also, you seem to have the buff specific icons present, which I am also unable to get.

Thanks

alreadytaken · 03/29/09, 1:28 PM

Originally Posted by Links

The problem with setting your SBF UI up this way is that your rupture/dp stack tracker are essentially a Debuffs on boss bar, which you can edit to be only your debuffs. If you're mutilate and never open with garrote or apply any other debuff, that is fine. However, if you're combat or ever use other debuffs on the boss, this might cause problems.

I didn't quite get what you mean with it might cause problems. With this setup you can see all your debuffs on your current target (This includes sap/blind/stuns). If this is what you mean, it is about your configuration, try playing with "Units" tab, not "Spells" tab for debuff frame.

saedo · 03/29/09, 5:28 PM

Originally Posted by StarletRox

now the internal cooldown should be dark grey instead and much easier to distinguish.

I've also added a line at 5 seconds and 12 seconds so I know when I got to refresh SnD/HfB. If anyone wants the code for that just tell me.

Thanks tried it out, with my own color adjustments, and it works out better visually now.

I'd like to see the code for the extra lines as well. Would it be possible to make the lines not fill the entire bars though? The idea I have for it is to place a few small static tick lines at the top or something to get a better visual of the seconds remaining.

Eggi · 03/29/09, 6:00 PM

Originally Posted by naknekm

Does anyone know of an addon that will track both the duration and the cooldown of Tricks of Trade and Killing Spree?

Right now, I have Natur and Rogue Power Bars and neither one will show the duration of ToT and KS; RPB will show the cool down on ToT, but not on KS;

In addition, RPB will show the duration of AR, BF but not the cooldown; Natur shows the Cooldown, but not the duration, so I am not locked into either of them, if I could find something that would do both and KS and ToT.

This is a great thread. I really like being able to see everyones UI and have gotten some good ideas.

CompactBars is able to do that.

Thorak · 03/29/09, 9:30 PM

Has anyone seen any addons to simplify tricks management? ATM i'm gunning with two macros, one for tank tricks and one for dps tricks. However, changing up the macro every time I'm in a new group is kind of tedious. Also it leaves little flexibility if say my dps tricks target dies.

Zaniel · 03/29/09, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Thorak

Has anyone seen any addons to simplify tricks management? ATM i'm gunning with two macros, one for tank tricks and one for dps tricks. However, changing up the macro every time I'm in a new group is kind of tedious. Also it leaves little flexibility if say my dps tricks target dies.

I had a similar problem with my DPS trick macro, and the best solution I found was to simply make it work off a [target=focus] instead of [target=name] specifically. You can swap a focus mid-pull fairly quickly, too. In the end, it's been a really useful switch to an otherwise simple macro.

In terms of addons, however, I'm not sure what extra functionality you'd need. I also haven't seen any. The two macros I use solve the problem nicely.

Tinwhisker · 03/29/09, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Zaniel

I had a similar problem with my DPS trick macro, and the best solution I found was to simply make it work off a [target=focus] instead of [target=name] specifically. You can swap a focus mid-pull fairly quickly, too. In the end, it's been a really useful switch to an otherwise simple macro.

I use this as well but the main problem with using focus these days is that anytime you or your target use some sort of vehicle or phasing mechanic it wipes your focus. There's really no "good" way to use it that functions without some level of upkeep.

Zaniel · 03/29/09, 11:46 PM

Could you do it with a mouseover? I've been spoiled, I suppose, by not being assigned to trick the combat rogue. As a result I'd temporarily forgotten the focus wiping...

There was a macro I had for my lock back in the day that goes like:

#showtooltip
/focus [target=focus, noexists][target=focus, dead] mouseover
/cast [nomodifier, target=focus] Fear
/stopmacro [nomodifier]
/clearfocus [modifier:ctrl]

* If you do not have a focus it will set focus on your mouseover target.
* It will cast fear on your focus.
* If you do not have a focus, it will cast fear on your target.
* Will null your focus if you click the macro button with the control key held down, or if your target is dead.

Clearly my lock's spell was Fear, but for my rogue it could easily become Tricks.

RobDalton · 03/29/09, 11:47 PM

As mentioned, I doubt you'd be able to find an addon seeing as having focus macros and typing /focus XXX midfight aren't too difficult. I use this macro for a one-button tank, dps and back-up dps Tricksing, where you target the tank prior to engaging the boss.

/cast [target=target, nocombat] Tricks of the Trade
/cast [target=focus, nodead] Tricks of the Trade
/cast [target=OtherDPS] Tricks of the Trade

Innyc · 03/30/09, 1:09 AM

Another option could be to do a macro using different mouse buttons to cast on different people. Something like:

/cast [target=dps, button:1] Tricks of the Trade
/cast [target=otherdps, button:2] Tricks of the Trade
/cast [target=tank, button:3] Tricks of the Trade

Obviously the downside would be having to mouse over the macro itself, but if you're mousing over the target you'd be doing a similar thing anyway.

Rilias · 03/30/09, 4:33 AM

What I do is use the standart

/cast [help] [target=focus, help] [target=targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade

The advantage beeing that I can target the tank prepull to tricks him before the fight starts and then target the boss from there on and cast tricks on my focus target.

amele · 03/30/09, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Moxi

I thought I would mention to you that while Classtimers will not scale bar length as you specify, it can be configured to order bars by time: example here(in red square) showing duration top to bottom. I personally find this useful as I can see bars nearing the end of their duration at a glance. However I can see some people preferring static placed bars in order not to 'search' for information (even though this setup does the searching for you, in a way.)

If bar length is absolutely your thing, I suggest you try event horizon posted by Vulajin. Its timeline-like bars may fit your needs.

For Slice, Rupture, and Hunger for Blood specifically, I can't recommend cutup enough. Bar length can be customized individually, each can be positioned individually, and bar filling is always a function of max possible duration and not the max duration of the current application (i.e. a 3pt rupture starts at 80% of the rupture max bar length.)

The addon also comes with some other nice features (some error message spam control, autohiding the loot panel for pickpocketing etc.) and is very small and easy to customize.

Rhoy · 03/30/09, 11:25 AM

I'm using 2 different macros for Tricks of the Trade :

/cast [target=XXX] Tricks of the Trade
/w XXX GO !!!

This one because we have the same ToT rotation.

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [help] [target=focus, help] [target=targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade

Using focus target (to use it one different MT's)

Im using Autobar to see trincket CD and swap easely mounts/potions/ ....

Joigahdenn · 03/30/09, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by amele

For Slice, Rupture, and Hunger for Blood specifically, I can't recommend cutup enough. Bar length can be customized individually, each can be positioned individually, and bar filling is always a function of max possible duration and not the max duration of the current application (i.e. a 3pt rupture starts at 80% of the rupture max bar length.)

The addon also comes with some other nice features (some error message spam control, autohiding the loot panel for pickpocketing etc.) and is very small and easy to customize.

I agree, Cutup is a great addon if you're interested in customizable timer bars for HfB, SnD, and rupture. It has a poison module that supposedly pulses at each DP tick as well, but I haven't been able to get that to work (maybe because I run on a mac, i don't know anything about writing/editing addons). However, there are 2 larger problems I see with this addon that need to be accounted for using either another addon or peeking at your target [frame] debuffs. Often when you hit the button to refresh rupture, the cutup timer (the "bleeder" module) will refresh even though you haven't actually refreshed rupture yet, for example if you hit rupture before you had enough energy this can happen. Also the timer doesn't expire when your target has died, which isn't too big of an issue, but it means to need to keep an eye on which target you actually have rupture on.

That being said, I used Cutup for a long time and really liked it, and as long as you have your UI setup to account for the discrepancies in the rupture timer, it works great.

Aarcani · 03/30/09, 9:48 PM

After a lot of tweaking since TotT came out I've finally come up with a pretty good macro that gets rid of needing two macros.

/cast [modifier:shift, help][modifier:shift, target=focus, help] [modifier:shift, target=targettarget, help] [target=ROGUE_NAME] Tricks of the Trade
/script if(not IsShiftKeyDown()) then SendChatMessage("Tricks on you.","WHISPER","Common","ROGUE_NAME") end

So if you hold down shift it'll cast on your target if it's friendly, on your focus if it's friendly, and finally on your targets target it that is friendly. If you don't hold shift it casts on the player name you enter and also whispers that person. The script was really the key to the whole thing. Without the script you'd have to have two macros if you wanted to whisper your tott target. With the script the whisper function only happens if you are not holding shift, the tank doesn't need to know you're giving it to him, but if you're trading with another rogue the whisper can help remind them.

If you wanted flexibility to cast on anyone if the named person died or whatever you could add, after the /cast command [modifier:ctrl, help]. If you hold the control key it'll try to cast tricks on your target, but if you have an enemy targeted it'll cause your pointer to glow and you could then click your pointer on another players unit frame to cast it on them. I don't have this setup, but the way the script is it'd cause the whisper to go out. You could always leave the script off, I went a long time without that part.

Another option would be to just add [help] right after [target=roguename, exist]. that way if your named target is dead or whatever it'll either cast on your friendly target or give you the click to cast glowy effect.

I'm not really very good at scripts, is there a way to also make the whisper script check that the target is alive, or in range?

winst · 03/31/09, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Rhoy

basically awesome ui

Sorry, Rhoy, could you post a list or screenshot of all your addons? This looks much like the old setup I was comfortable with but never managed to re-establish after wrath.