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Old 01/10/10, 4:49 AM   #51
Xcuse
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Dragonmaw (EU)
In your current version, the Band of the Bone Colossus (Heroic) is dropped from "Morrowgar-25-heroic" - Marrowgar it is^^ Little typo.
Additionally, a bit of nitpicking: You should start boss names with a capital letter if that's possible.
Feel free to remove this post after the fix!

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Old 01/10/10, 7:16 AM   #52
Chack
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
@ Mortezzah

This is a current problem in the app with Jewelcrafting. To determine if an item is an upgrade it, puts the best possible gems in all items that are being compared. In your case it put a Dragon's Eye in the Flintlock which made it slightly better then the Shrapnel Star. Taking account for Unique(3) for Dragon Eye gems will be very coplex when determining best gemming for an item, so I will probably not let it use Dragon's Eyes at all. Will have to give it some thought.

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Old 01/10/10, 3:08 PM   #53
VonGarona
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Garona
Originally Posted by Drakulina View Post
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But I think it would be much easier for you to fix rogue module in Rawr.
Rawr is an open source project - so you can download it's source code and make it work correct.<snip>
Boy would I love to see the Rawr.Rogue module get the attention it deserves. Frankly I'm surprised there hasn't been a strong push to get it up to snuff. I use Rawr for many other classes that I play, especially the Mage module, and I find it quite nice. I'm a professional programmer as well, but I don't have the statistical background to really do anything with it.

As far as cross-platform, isn't Mono .NET functional yet? I run Rawr in a Win 7 virtual machine as well.

Anyway, not to derail the thread and discount the effort here, good work.

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Old 01/11/10, 8:21 AM   #54
Barlow
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Blackrock (EU)
When I use the HnS Combat Spec, Mongoose and Berserking are shown as a 0 DPS increase for MH and OH. Superior Potency however shows +63 DPS. Any setting I have to change?

keep up the good work, highly appreciated!

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Old 01/11/10, 10:45 AM   #55
Professor Hurt
Piston Honda
 
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Worgen Rogue
 
Quel'dorei
Originally Posted by Chack View Post
@ Mortezzah

This is a current problem in the app with Jewelcrafting. To determine if an item is an upgrade it, puts the best possible gems in all items that are being compared. In your case it put a Dragon's Eye in the Flintlock which made it slightly better then the Shrapnel Star. Taking account for Unique(3) for Dragon Eye gems will be very coplex when determining best gemming for an item, so I will probably not let it use Dragon's Eyes at all. Will have to give it some thought.
I recommend ranking items by base-JC gems only, or simply by some socket value. However, if you go for the later, make sure to value only the first blue socket as blue EP, and the rest as red EP (or whatever). To draw a comparison, I wouldn't rank gloves based on the 340 haste engineering enchant, I'd rank them without any enchants. Same goes for bracers and the BS socket. Basically, take the extra stuff you get from tradeskills out of the equation, rank the items, and let the user put those extras back in after the fact.

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Old 01/11/10, 1:49 PM   #56
Chack
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
Enchants are included in ranking of all items, as long as your current gear is enchanted with that enchant. Ranking with sockets is done fairly more complex. The algorithm is testing through all possible gemming setups, one time trying to keep the socket bonus and one not. Then the best dps result is picked and used for the item ranking. Unique gems made this process alot more complex, since you can most likely use only 1 of that type of gem so you also need to find out in which of those sockets it's best to put it in. For example if socket0 is Yellow and Socket1 is Red, it's better to use a "bad" Ametrine in the yellow socket and to save the Dragon's Eye for the red socket. Anyway, this issue is fixed now in the latest version, along with numerous other things.

v.10 Changes:
- New Icons for Dragon's Eyes
- Improved Cardinal Ruby and Ametrine Icons
- Implemented Unique(X) Gems
- Improved item auto-gemming for upgrade suggestion
- Changing Item will now try to keep gems
- Fixed Armory Import not displaying Gear
- Fixed various proc Enchant bugs

Downloads - idps - Project Hosting on Google Code

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Old 01/11/10, 2:31 PM   #57
Istaril
Piston Honda
 
Undead Rogue
 
Mal'Ganis
I'm getting two odd behaviours from this new version; the first is the inability to have more than 1 Bright Dragon's Eye (I suspect you've accidentally labelled it unique).

The second may have existed previously - the EP value of expertise when capped still appears to be higher than 0 (0.09). If you're assuming we're attacking from the back, why would the value not be 0?

I can think of a few reasons why it might not be 0 on gear - a) the ability to re-gem to make expertise valuable, b) the ability to spec out of expertise and gain DPS (probably useful only for Mace/Dagger) - but I doubt either of these would value expertise that low.

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Old 01/11/10, 2:47 PM   #58
Tomate
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Rogue
 
Cho'gall (EU)
I am getting an issue with the last build:
-I can't change my belt in my current profile or a new.

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Old 01/11/10, 4:15 PM   #59
Chack
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
@Istaril
1. Fixed in r22.
2. In the tool the Expertise cap is 32.78998947 * 6.5 = 213.134932. You probably weren't over the cap yet, but just below.

@Tomate
Can't reproduce.

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Old 01/11/10, 4:34 PM   #60
Darrien
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Anub'arak
I had the same belt problem. It only seems to happen from a blank sheet. Quick fix is importing and changing the belt after. at least that worked for me.

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Old 01/11/10, 5:25 PM   #61
Istaril
Piston Honda
 
Undead Rogue
 
Mal'Ganis
I take my 199 expertise (0.43% dodge chance) mutilate set, swap in a combat spec and my dodge chance drops to 0. My exp EP drops to 0.09.

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Old 01/11/10, 6:14 PM   #62
Docrev
Piston Honda
 
Undead Rogue
 
Zul'Jin
That would be expected. Weapon Expertise adds about 82 expertise, so your dodge chance should drop to well below zero. Any additional expertise would then be pointless, though Aldriana's sheet gives the same EP it had under cap to prevent undervaluing gear with expertise on it.

EDIT: Misread the previous post, so this doesn't actually add anything now.

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Old 01/11/10, 6:32 PM   #63
Chack
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
Ok i found the source of the expertise EP glitch. The expertise calculations were done with a higher ammount of calculation iterations since they are done later, so they were more accurate then the calculations before. I'm resetting now all parameters so they should be equally "inaccurate". Good to know that 10 more iterations only increase my dps by 0.09

I coud not reprouce the belt problem however, even starting from an empty gear set.

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Old 01/12/10, 6:35 AM   #64
sylvar
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Lothar
belt problem

Terrific application - I've been using the spreadsheets for a while and I find this to be a simple and intuitive app to quickly assess gear trade-off questions. Bravo!

I, too, am having the belt problem and noticed that it happened only after I imported my character. My char doesn't have a belt that's in the system (currently, a Flayer's Black Belt - ilvl 219) - perhaps the non-system belt is triggering it? Importing another character with a belt in the system or starting a new sheet doesn't seem to solve the problem for me. I was previously using v0.9r12 and that does not have the problem.

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Old 01/12/10, 8:23 AM   #65
Chack
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
I tried that as well, on Win7 and OSX and i could not reproduce the problem. Not in an empty gear set, full gear set, nor fresh installation. I tried it with your character profile as well. Can you start the app from the command line with "java -jar iDPSv....jar" and tell me what erro message you are getting.

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Old 01/12/10, 8:58 AM   #66
Tomate
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Rogue
 
Cho'gall (EU)
C:\Users\***>java -jar "****\iDPSv0.10-r24.jar"
EP ATP
EP ATP
EP ATP
EP ATP
Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-0" java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 3
at iDPS.gear.Gear.isSocketBonusActive(Gear.java:387)
at iDPS.gear.Gear.gemBest(Gear.java:280)
at iDPS.gear.ItemComparison.runComparison(ItemComparison.java:47)
at iDPS.gear.ItemComparison.<init>(ItemComparison.java:27)
at iDPS.gui.SelectItemPanel.<init>(SelectItemPanel.java:41)
at iDPS.gui.InventoryButton.actionPerformed(InventoryButton.java:122)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.AbstractButton$Handler.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.fireActionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.DefaultButtonModel.setPressed(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.plaf.basic.BasicButtonListener.mouseReleased(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.AWTEventMulticaster.mouseReleased(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.AWTEventMulticaster.mouseReleased(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at javax.swing.JComponent.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.processEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.retargetMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.processMouseEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.LightweightDispatcher.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Container.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Window.dispatchEventImpl(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.Component.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source)

C:\Users\*******>

I have juste start the java aps, click on the belt slot and exit.

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Old 01/12/10, 4:47 PM   #67
Tarnix
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Mal'Ganis
Awesome app man! Thx for making it, its so easy to use and being able to use it for combat & mut is so convenient. I also love how you have horde names for all the items.

The only thing I can think of to making it completely perfect is add something so when you mouse over the items in your app you get the blizzard pic like they have in the wow armory or in wowhead. But of course thats just cosmetic.

Thanks again for the awesome app!

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Old 01/12/10, 7:46 PM   #68
Chack
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
Can everyone who had the problem with the unclickable belt try the latest release r27 and see if you still get the same problem? Thanks!

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Old 01/12/10, 9:41 PM   #69
Nerfbat
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Runetotem
be nice to have grim toll in the list of trinkets, as its still a viable combat trinket.

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Old 01/13/10, 4:01 AM   #70
katiosha
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Stormreaver (EU)
the application is great so far and looks very promising especially the import character options it makes transitions between newer versions extremely comfortable. with the latest version (iDPSv0.10-r27) i haven't encountered the belt problem so far while playing around with it.

I would like as well to suggest something if you can afford to make it exist, the ability to play around with the raid buffs/debuffs would be great to have, never the less the application is still great even without it.

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Old 01/13/10, 4:20 AM   #71
atroxes
Von Kaiser
 
Human Rogue
 
Auchindoun (EU)
I assume, for Mutilate, you're using a 4+ Envenom strategy when calculating damage output. Adding the possibility to play around with settings like these would work really well later on when new mechanics might be introduced that can change how we use our abilities.

I know you can't just *snap* your fingers and make such a feature appear out of thin air, but working towards making the app more flexible in respect to unknown changes to rotations in the future, would be a great way to test new playstyles. Don't missunderstand, the app is awesome, but it's very tied down at the moment, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about

Great work!

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Old 01/13/10, 4:25 AM   #72
Tomate
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Rogue
 
Cho'gall (EU)
So far, so good for the belt issue.
Thanks for this quick fix.

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Old 01/13/10, 8:34 AM   #73
atroxes
Von Kaiser
 
Human Rogue
 
Auchindoun (EU)
As per Aldriana's recommendation, I tried putting Steel Bladebraker (H) in MH and Twin Spike (H) in my OH. However I don't think the app accounts for this and changes Deadly Poison to the fastest weapon, because my DPS decreased from 11056 to 10569.

Solution, adding a poison selection feature for each weapon. This would also be great for just testing different setups where you'd want to use Wound Poison or maybe other types, for various reasons.

I know I'm kind of "spamming" a few ideas here, but this tool looks very promising and I'd like to see it get even better!

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Old 01/13/10, 8:52 AM   #74
Barlow
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Blackrock (EU)
Is it possible, that iDPS latest version does not import from Armory correctly or does not recognize some of the Gear? The "Treads of the Icewalker" for example show up with a different Icon and name than ingame. Though my overall DPS seems to be normal the DPS increase values for the slots seem to indicate, that iDPS might calculate the slot as "nothing equipped".

Error was reproduceable by reloading my profile from armory.

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Old 01/13/10, 9:18 AM   #75
Chack
Piston Honda
 
Troll Rogue
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
@astroxes
It always puts IP in your mainhand and DP in your offhand.

@Barlow
The items you get to chose from when you click on a slot are faction specific. So if you import an alliance character it will show you the alliance item names and icons on the left, but if you then click on a slot with a horde race selected you will only get horde items as suggestion.
I just imported your profile and everythign was working fine.

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