[Enhancement] Cataclysm Beta Changes (updated 11/4/10) - Page 18

Vespasian · 10/14/10, 8:42 AM

I notice that much discussion (including Elam's guide) suggests working Flame Shock into the rotation however Shock and Awe defaults to excluding FS (now that the relic effect has changed). Can anyone confirm for me the sim work that has been done on this? I am quite removed from the TC scene these days and wouldn't be able to sim with confidence.

Is Flame Shock a part of the 4.01 rotation?

Photek · 10/14/10, 8:50 AM

Originally Posted by Vespasian

I notice that much discussion (including Elam's guide) suggests working Flame Shock into the rotation however Shock and Awe defaults to excluding FS (now that the relic effect has changed). Can anyone confirm for me the sim work that has been done on this? I am quite removed from the TC scene these days and wouldn't be able to sim with confidence.

Is Flame Shock a part of the 4.01 rotation?

Flame Shock hit + dot is still more damage than a single Earth Shock, so yeah, still in rotation.

Rouncer · 10/14/10, 9:28 AM

Keeping flame shock in now is a couple of hundred dps if you get the majority of damage from the DoT, so it's not vital but it's nice. It's much more then that once we get Unleash Flame at level 81.

Levva · 10/14/10, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

Keeping flame shock in now is a couple of hundred dps if you get the majority of damage from the DoT, so it's not vital but it's nice. It's much more then that once we get Unleash Flame at level 81.

Lots of people are asking me to add the "current best priority" list into ShockAndAwe for level 80 in patch 4.0.1 as the new defaults. Has anyone worked out a definitive list yet?

Rouncer · 10/14/10, 11:40 AM

I've been doing quick and dirty 2k and under sim runs so my list isn't really up for publication. Basics seem to be

ST
MW5
SS
LL
FS
ES
SW
SR

From what I could tell it's almost like a multi-tiered priority list (if that makes any sense). Searing Totem and MW5 being at the top, followed by strikes, followed by shocks and then cooldowns. Small variations inside the groups (except shocks) with large variations between the groups.

Cochice · 10/14/10, 1:52 PM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

I've been doing quick and dirty 2k and under sim runs so my list isn't really up for publication. Basics seem to be

ST
MW5
SS
LL
FS
ES
SW
SR

From what I could tell it's almost like a multi-tiered priority list (if that makes any sense). Searing Totem and MW5 being at the top, followed by strikes, followed by shocks and then cooldowns. Small variations inside the groups (except shocks) with large variations between the groups.

I'm seeing a similar list as being ideal in testing, but I'm trying to wrap my head around why SR with 2 piece is coming out on the bottom. It just seems like that might be an error because I can't think of a good reason why. Am I forgetting something obvious?

Rouncer · 10/14/10, 2:09 PM

Forced usage when it runs a high priority in a non-GCD-capped list that has spaces so that it's uptime percentage doesn't fall off significantly when much lower on the list.

Rocksplash · 10/14/10, 4:10 PM

@ rouncer. The lava lash listed in your priorities and the only question I have about the set up. Is that LL when searing totem is at 5 stacks. Or just ll on cooldown?

Ratek · 10/14/10, 4:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rocksplash

@ rouncer. The lava lash listed in your priorities and the only question I have about the set up. Is that LL when searing totem is at 5 stacks. Or just ll on cooldown?

I was just about to ask that too. I was a little surprised to see it that high, but it is a lot of damage. However thinking about it, I had considered the opening of a fight. At which point I believe the list will be slightly different, such as LL waiting until ST has built up it's stacks.

cmb1705 · 10/14/10, 6:32 PM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

I've been doing quick and dirty 2k and under sim runs so my list isn't really up for publication. Basics seem to be

ST
MW5
SS
LL
FS
ES
SW
SR

From what I could tell it's almost like a multi-tiered priority list (if that makes any sense). Searing Totem and MW5 being at the top, followed by strikes, followed by shocks and then cooldowns. Small variations inside the groups (except shocks) with large variations between the groups.

Based on EnhSim 2.0.9, I'm coming up with the following priority system as highest dps. Please post if you can sim anything better.
SW
MW5_LB
ST
SS
LL
FS
ES
FE
SR

Levva · 10/15/10, 5:22 AM

Can I ask that if people are testing EnhSim and finding better priority queues that they make sure they include their config file so that we can verify their findings. Random postings with no backup is not helpful.

It is better to have peer review of your work and verification that you have found a better solution than for everyone to question what you found.

cmb1705 · 10/15/10, 9:16 AM

Apologies, config file here:

### Saved by v2.0.9 of EnhSimGUI

config_version                  2.0.9
simulation_time                 5000
simulation_time_combatlog       300
combat_length                   7
report_count                    80
threads                         1
combat_length_rng_factor        0.35
min_lag                         250
max_lag                         350
simulate_mana                   1
cast_sr_on_cooldown             1

ep_precision                    2
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ep_mastery_rating               100
ep_spellpower                   115
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cast_magma_only_if_ticks_left   2
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use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    1000
necrotic_touch                  0
necrotic_touch_heroic           1

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rotation_priority8              FE
rotation_priority9              SR

aoe_rotation_priority_count     0

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additional_targets              0
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attack_power_buff_multiplier    10.0/10.0
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mana_regen_buff                 326/326

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mixology                        0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            orc
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          250.6
oh_dps                          250.6
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oh_crit                         56.97
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oh_hit                          20.76
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oh_expertise_rating             128
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int                             145
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mp5                             253

mh_imbue                        windfury
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mh_weapon                       black_bruise_heroic
oh_weapon                       fist

trinket1                        herkuml_war_token
trinket2                        tiny_abomination_in_a_jar_heroic

set_bonus1                      t10_battlegear_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

gloves_enchant                  hand_mounted_pyro_rocket
cloak_enchant                   -
ring_proc                       ashen_verdict

glyph_prime1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_prime2                    feral_spirit
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glyph_major3                    -

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improved_shields                2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
flurry                          3/3
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searing_flames                  3/3
frozen_power                    0/2
shamanistic_rage                1/1
unleashed_rage                  2/2
improved_lava_lash              2/2
maelstrom_weapon                3/3

convection                      0/2
concussion                      2/3
call_of_flame                   0/2
reverberation                   0/2
elemental_precision             0/3
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_oath                  0/2
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
elemental_mastery               0/1
feedback                        0/3
lava_surge                      0/2

Edit: It should be noted that the character stats are based on my current gear setup, although Armory still isn't updating character sheets correctly.

Bloodshed · 10/15/10, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by bondy

Berseking and mongoose have the same uptime iirc so it's a case of Agility 120 + 30 Haste vs 400AP. I went with Mongoose until proven (simmed) otherwise.

DELETING -- Post 254 better depicts my intended post.

Rouncer · 10/15/10, 10:33 AM

Problem is that you are running an Alpha version which is set up for level 85 characters and neglected to convert the ratings values and the raid buffs to their level 80 equivalents.

-> Mastery and Expertise Rating need to be multiplied by 3.905
-> Agi and Str Raid buff needs to be reduced to 155
-> Simulate mana should be disabled

Also the new armor formula won't apply till level 81 and up so change that back to 10643 since that reflects the current armor constant and the amount of armor on the actual bosses.

PS - as an aside that armor DR aspect is why we are doing so badly on the meters in 4.0.1. All melee was low because the armor constant will be changing for 81+ so bosses will have less DR then they do currently but that isn't in effect now. So how low the melee specs ended up was very dependent on their ratio of physical versus magic damage. Problem is that instead of reworking the armor constant to take the Bosses DR to the new lower levels they (for whatever reason) decided to do base damage increases on the classes/specs that they thought were too low. So the buffs are uneven which has thrown us under the bus since we weren't horrible looking initially since we are only about 50% physical so we didn't get any buffs but still our physical is lagging behind because we didn't get any buffs.

Elam · 10/16/10, 2:56 AM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

I've been doing quick and dirty 2k and under sim runs so my list isn't really up for publication. Basics seem to be

ST
MW5
SS
LL
FS
ES
SW
SR

From what I could tell it's almost like a multi-tiered priority list (if that makes any sense). Searing Totem and MW5 being at the top, followed by strikes, followed by shocks and then cooldowns. Small variations inside the groups (except shocks) with large variations between the groups.

I'm going to update my sim again tomorrow and see if I can recreate these results. When I simmed last Monday it had FS as a higher priority, but if you're using the most recent sim and seeing SS and LL as higher priority than Flame Shock I'd like to verify that and change it asap.