Shaman: Simple Questions / Simple Answers -- Cataclysm Edition - Page 3

Eidolen · 01/08/11, 6:01 PM

I'm looking for an addon that will track the amount of seconds left on a riptide that i've thrown out and display this time left within grid without taking up the center icon as I use that for debuffs. I'd also like to know an addon that can show me which targets on grid have power word shield through use of an icon rather then a box and the timeleft on it? Is this possible?

These all need to be grid friendly and displayed within the grid box! Thank you!

Razzberry · 01/08/11, 6:30 PM

Does anyone know what spirit value Glyph of Water Shield equates to?

EDIT:
~315 Spirit at 4500 Intellect.

Ayes · 01/12/11, 8:25 AM

Hello I read the enhancement thread where it said i need 26 expertise to reach the exp cap. I now got 26 exp in my stats-list and in these 26 points the 8 points from Unleashed Rage are included, which means that my gear gives me 18 points of expertise. Now when i mouseover the expertise it still says i got a 7,5% parry chance on lvl 88 and ??. My question is. Do i need 26 hit cap plus the 8 points which ends up at 34 expertise or do i just don't minde the remaining 7,5 % of parry ?

kindacolon · 01/12/11, 8:44 AM

Parries only occur when you are facing the mob head on. The expertise is there to mitigate any dodges that could occur while you are behind the mob attacking. 26 is the cap you want to reach including the 8 from talents.

SentinelBorg · 01/14/11, 4:13 AM

Not asked but still good to know: While a default Grounding Totem doesn't work in the Omnitron Encounter vs. Arcanotron's nuke, a glyphed one actually works and reflects the spell.

grishaan · 01/14/11, 4:53 AM

The signature spell of the cataclysm resto shaman is (besides the obvious Mana tide totem) healing rain right now. It provides a huge amount of healing when you get your raidmembers to clumb up (especially with it proccing earthliving).

SlimXx · 01/14/11, 5:29 AM

Originally Posted by SentinelBorg

Not asked but still good to know: While a default Grounding Totem doesn't work in the Omnitron Encounter vs. Arcanotron's nuke, a glyphed one actually works and reflects the spell.

Default Grounding Totem works just fine for absorbing Arcanotron's nuke. As a side note, Grounding Totem also absorbs Blackout from Valiona. A shaman in each group makes her phase (more) trivial.

thoraine · 01/15/11, 8:27 AM

Hi guys, with patch 4.0.6, [Unheeded Warning]'s proc will be changed to 680 weapon damage. With this change, can I assume that with a up time of 20% (10 sec duration 50 sec ICD), my EP for this trinket would be:

(321* AGI EP) + (0.2*(680(MH EP + OH EP))?

Or should I just wait for the sim to include the new version to figure it out? Thanks in advance.

P.S: Also is there a quick and dirty way to calculate [Darkmoon Card: Hurricane]'s EP or is that possible only through the sim as I'm trying to compare between the two. I know it scales with Mastery but perhaps some quick math to calculate it's worth from the tooltip (with mastery included)?

Rouncer · 01/15/11, 10:28 AM

Mengus's logs have been indicating that the proc only applies to auto-attacks, not to melee specials.

Widewing · 01/16/11, 3:11 AM

Elemental question:

Assuming LvB is on CD, you start casting LB when Lava Surge procs. Is it better to finish casting LB, or just cancel the LB and cast the LvB?

I assume there will be some kind of individual breakpoint, which will prob depend on your different stats, but a general rule of thumb would be nice to have

Stelmaria · 01/16/11, 11:06 AM

In theory there is a point where it makes sense to abort a LB for a LvB, but in any practical situation, the time window is just too small. Never abort a started cast (unless you have to move from fire ofc).

Math:
Deciding what spell is better is usually based on DPET (damage per execution time): dpet = total expected damage / cast time
If you abort an LB, the time you already spent casting it is wasted and has to be added to LvB's casttime to get its effective execution time.
LB damge: (lb_basedmg + spellpower * lb_coeff) * (1 + 1.09 * crit) * (1 + 0.75 * overload) + 0.6 * (ls_basedmg + spellpower * ls_coeff) * (1 + 1.09 * crit)
LB casttime: 2 / (1 + haste)
LB DPET: LB damage / LB casttime

LvB damage: (lvb_basedmg + spellpower * lvb_coeff) * 2.8316 * (1 + 0.75 * overload)
LvB casttime: 1.5 / (1 + haste)
LvB DPET: LvB damage / (LvB casttime + aborttime)

If aborting LB for LvB is an dps gain, then we need to meet the following criteria:
LvB DPET > LB DPET

Put in your stats, solve for aborttime and you have the time window in which aborting LB is a dps increase. It's usually to small a window to bother with it though.

Mephology · 01/18/11, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

Why would you swap SS for FT when you could swap Feral Spirits for FT and gain even more dps?

I am wondering if I am using EnhSim incorrectly because this does not reflect what I see when I look at the dps on my marginally geared shaman in our typical 10man raid setup. Could it also be a reflection of the fact that I am in mostly heroics gear and using only 10man buffs? I have attached the EnhSim config that I was using.

Glyph1	Glyph2	Glyph3	DPS
FT	SS	LL	15667
FS	SS	LL	15443
FT	FS	LL	15606

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simulation_time_combatlog       300
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max_lag                         450
simulate_mana                   1
cast_sr_on_cooldown             0

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cast_magma_only_if_ticks_left   1
cast_searing_only_if_ticks_left 1
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       0
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    1000
necrotic_touch                  0
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aoe_rotation_priority_count     0

fight_name                      standard_single_target
miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        24.00
armor                           11977
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nature_resistance               0
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additional_targets              0
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stat_multiplier                 5.0/5.0
agi_and_strength_buff           549/549
mana_buff                       0/2126
mana_regen_buff                 326/326

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mixology                        1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_the_winds
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            skewered_eel

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

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mh_dps                          50
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spi                             244
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mp5                             1171

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trinket2                        tias_grace_heroic

set_bonus1                      -
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

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Rouncer · 01/18/11, 2:22 PM

The person I was responding to was planning on running FS - FT - LL which your graph is showing as 15606. I said that for a caster mainhand they should swap our FS instead of SS which would be running FT - SS - LL which your chart shows as 15667. 15667 > 15606

ehakam · 01/18/11, 3:45 PM

Originally Posted by Stelmaria

In theory there is a point where it makes sense to abort a LB for a LvB, but in any practical situation, the time window is just too small. Never abort a started cast (unless you have to move from fire ofc).

I agree with your conclusion, but I don't necessarily agree with your explanation. There are too many variables to consider; you would need a simulator to accurately simulate it. Based on the above scenario, in most cases, if you cancel the LvB you would be casting a LB after it anyway. So in the 3s or so of time, you're casting LB -> LvB vs. LB (cancelled) -> LvB -> LB. Therefore, in the big picture of the entire fight, all this accomplishes is inserting a small period of no casting for a slightly reduced cooldown on your LvB. To accurately compare the two scenarios, you would have to calculate at the end of the fight, the extra # of LvB casts you were able to cast due to cancelling your LB, and divide that by the time wasted by cancelling your LB to see if it's an overall increase in dps.

Also, it looks like CL has a higher DPET than LB, shouldn't it be used in favour of LB provided you do not go OOM?

Stelmaria · 01/19/11, 6:22 PM

Okay, looking at it from your point of view, what's the gain in canceling LB in the first place? Instead of doing a LB-LvB, we're doing a LvB-LB plus some waiting. If you're just moving casts around, you're not changing dps in any way.
If you use something like "Don't abort LB after more than 0.25 sec casting", you lose 10 seconds of casting time over a 6minute fight (~40 LvBs can be cast in that time window) or about 5-6 LB casts.