Shaman: Simple Questions / Simple Answers -- Cataclysm Edition - Page 6

Twiser · 02/10/11, 2:56 PM

A simple question, i've read a page or two back that fire elemental benefit only from spellpower. So, actually there is no real difference when to use it? I mean, I don't need to time it with some trinket procs/heroism, or should I?
Of course I understand that to maximize his damage he needs full 2 minute duration to dps.

Moshne · 02/10/11, 3:15 PM

Originally Posted by Twiser

A simple question, i've read a page or two back that fire elemental benefit only from spellpower. So, actually there is no real difference when to use it? I mean, I don't need to time it with some trinket procs/heroism, or should I?
Of course I understand that to maximize his damage he needs full 2 minute duration to dps.

Because he only scales with your spell power, you should absolutely use him with your potions/trinkets lined up. You'll only be using him once during most fights anyhow, so timing it when you use your Heroism/Potion combo shouldn't be too difficult, provided you use Hero in a time during the fight that there will still be two minutes left. Alternately, I'll use him at the beginning of a fight as I'll have my "pre-pot" still up and usually have my procs firing as well.

One nice way to track it is using Power Auras. You can make an aura that only triggers when other auras are already up. So for instance I have a trinket, the Volcano Card, and I have Power Torrent that both give a proc effect that increases spell power, I'll have an aura that lets me know when either of those are up, as well as another that says both are up at the same time to alert when when I'm clear to drop the Ele to maximize his spell power boost.

Even if you have trinkets without a spell power proc, you'd be wise to time it with your potion/Power Torrent.

Twiser · 02/10/11, 3:58 PM

I see. And is it scaling at the moment you drop it, or continiously during his existense?

zuuz · 02/10/11, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by Twiser

I see. And is it scaling at the moment you drop it, or continiously during his existense?

The Fire Elemental totem takes a snapshot of your stats (spellpower) when dropped and uses those stats for the entire duration.

boda · 02/11/11, 3:26 AM

Where can I find some good information about PVPing as Enhancment spec, the one thread I found on the forums has been closed for awhile.

zuuz · 02/11/11, 9:30 AM

I'd suggest checking out Arena Junkies for any PvP questions:

Shaman Forums - Arena Junkies
How To Shaman - Updated! - Arena Junkies

SakeHake · 02/16/11, 4:52 AM

I've got one simple question about my haste stats. When I put down my Wrath of Air totem, my haste stats at my Character tab don't change. How do I know what my final haste stats are? Can I find that somewhere I haven't looked yet, or do I have to calculate it myself? (For instance, my hasterating is 3000 x (5% haste wrath of air totem) = 3000 x 1,05 = 3150 final haste rating)

SmokyBG · 02/16/11, 6:44 AM

I've been browsing through my logs and noticed there is a 0.4 to 0.8 of a second delay between a melee crit and Flurry triggering that I cannot explain - latency? Hidden cast time? Server processing delay?

Imadraenei · 02/16/11, 5:08 PM

Originally Posted by SakeHake

I've got one simple question about my haste stats. When I put down my Wrath of Air totem, my haste stats at my Character tab don't change. How do I know what my final haste stats are? Can I find that somewhere I haven't looked yet, or do I have to calculate it myself? (For instance, my hasterating is 3000 x (5% haste wrath of air totem) = 3000 x 1,05 = 3150 final haste rating)

The character sheet only shows the haste gained through haste rating. Your example shows you increasing your haste rating by 5%, but that is not what the totem does. In order to determine your final haste value, simply add 5 to the percentage in the tooltip. My enhancement gear is rocking a paltry 444 haste rating, which yields 3.47% spell haste. With Wrath of Air Totem, my spell haste then becomes 8.47%.

Zogar · 02/17/11, 11:27 AM

I have a question about elemental 4p bonus. Is it a 10% haste bonus for LB or a reduction of 0.2s on base LB cast time (making it 1.8s before haste is applied) ?

Mathematically, is it new cast time = old cast time / 1.1 or new cast time = old cast time * 0.9 ?

Stelmaria · 02/18/11, 7:39 AM

It's new cast time = 0.9 * old cast time and it's calculated after haste. At least that's what it looked like when I tested it a few days ago.

Originally Posted by Imadraenei

The character sheet only shows the haste gained through haste rating. Your example shows you increasing your haste rating by 5%, but that is not what the totem does. In order to determine your final haste value, simply add 5 to the percentage in the tooltip. My enhancement gear is rocking a paltry 444 haste rating, which yields 3.47% spell haste. With Wrath of Air Totem, my spell haste then becomes 8.47%.

That's not quite correct: the character sheet shows your full haste (including buffs) since 4.0.6. Though it seems like it only updates on opening the character sheet. Also haste is multiplicative, so adding 5 to your haste is underestimating your haste a bit.

Divis0R · 02/22/11, 3:33 AM

Originally Posted by Zogar

I have a question about elemental 4p bonus. Is it a 10% haste bonus for LB or a reduction of 0.2s on base LB cast time (making it 1.8s before haste is applied) ?

Mathematically, is it new cast time = old cast time / 1.1 or new cast time = old cast time * 0.9 ?

None of the above.
The 4x set bonus reduces the base cast time of the spell (after talents are applied), from 2.0 to 1.8. After this point, haste is applied. So final cast time will be calculated as 1.8 * (100 - haste_percentage/2).

Zogar · 02/23/11, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Divis0R

None of the above.
The 4x set bonus reduces the base cast time of the spell (after talents are applied), from 2.0 to 1.8. After this point, haste is applied. So final cast time will be calculated as 1.8 * (100 - haste_percentage/2).

That's plainly wrong, haste is not calculated like this. Just take 50% haste for a spell with base cast time 1.5s. It should give a cast time of 1s whereas your formula wouldn't give that. Or even more obvious, 200% haste would give a cast time of 0s. By the way, however wrong you formula is, it still complies with my formula : you're just multiplying your old cast time by 0.9, so you're making two mistakes in your post.

As for the way the 4p bonus is applied, how do you know that it reduces the base cast time and not increase your haste value ? If you don't know how haste works, I highly doubt your statement has any valid ground. The only way to check is to remove a T11 item without haste and compare the cast times. Unfortunately I don't have 4p T11, so could someone give their numbers ?

• Meaning · 02/23/11, 2:22 PM

Before it goes any further, New Cast Time = Old Cast Time / (1 + Haste In Decimal). Also haste buffs are multiplicative. Next topic.

Binkenstein · 02/23/11, 2:24 PM

Originally Posted by Meaning

Before it goes any further, New Cast Time = Old Cast Time / (1 + Haste In Decimal). Also haste buffs are multiplicative. Next topic.

Addendum: Haste buffs are multipliers, and the 4pc bonus is a haste buff in that respect.