The food Stormchops procs a lightning based aoe attack. I was unable to nail the effects down but it seemed to me that it added charges to our Rolling Thunder talent allowing for more frequent Fulmination attacks per fight. I'm not sure how effective this would be overall, but I wanted to make people aware that the food buff may be of benefit.

Great guide, however ignoring earth elly totem is a mistake. It doesn't taunt the current tier of boss mobs. It should be dropped on any boss that doesn't have adds and some that do. I have yet to retest it on old bosses are immune now or if it is ajust the new tier, but currently it never taunts any boss in BwD or BoT.

It does about 700ish dps which makes it a viable cooldown to tie in with dropping your fire elly. (2 minutes of 700 dps for 0 GCD cost = good math in my book)

Here is WoL for reference where I used it on cho'gal, omni, magmaw, and ascendant council. I use it pretty regularly on most fights for the bonus damage.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Also Since Earth Elly can be used to boost dps that makes elemental totems that much more powerful. I'm considering tinkering around with a new spec: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

The upside of this is that you get the bonus damage of fire elly and earth elly for an extra 48 seconds. Also you get an extra 24 seconds out of searing totem.

the downside is a small amount of fulmination damage lost and worse then that the lost of movement speed and instawolf.

What are some thoughts on this?

On Magmaw your Earth Elemental was active for 94.2 sec. On TAC is was active for 66.7 sec. On Cho'gall it was active for 88.4s. On Omnitron it was active for 18s.

Earth Elemental, as evidenced in your logs, dies from just about any AoE and the only reason it lived for anything more than 60 seconds in most of your logs is because while there was a lot of AoE damage there was a lot of AoE healing.

Regardless of how long it lives it doesn't really hurt to drop it as long as you don't need any of your other Earth totems which is a bad thing if you run Stoneclaw glyph.

Quoting this from the BB with permission:

Due to my main twink is main ele specced, I'm even more interested in theory. The mainpost of this thread supposed that haste = mastery in there usefulness. Compared to the BIS thread all of them prefers a way more stacking haste then mastery and get even more different in EP stat weight for these both.


I know the BIS thread dont respect movement or other interrupts that prevent us from chain cast to cast. But mastery is only useful if we cast, too. I see the conection between them both, if we cast more we have more chances in trigger our mastery and otherwise. So to drop / ignore mastery neither is good. Therefor and with again a look over the stated EP values the stat hierarchy should be in true: Spirit/Hit (until capped) >> Intellect > Haste > Mastery >> Crit with restriction to something like on each 2nd haste rating there should at least 1 masteryrating or something like this?

Edit:
To think a little bit further, in my opinion haste only outweight mastery till 30% spellhaste. So with Elemental Mastery we reach 50% haste and the gcd cap. After this point should mastery be scale better then haste, or are there any matters i dont see?

There are a lot of problems with your perspective, but they're interesting problems to investigate. We don't have any rules against being wrong, so I'm going to try to reply to your questions.

You're asking about an elemental twink. I assume this means you're not level 85. The problem with extrapolating level 85 mechanics to lower levels is the available spells, talents, gear, and even coefficients are different. We played the game differently at level 70 than we do now. None of the simulators and other available tools are designed for combat at any level other than max level, and you can't even use the old simulators, since the game has been completely revamped.

Even when we're all on the same page, discussing level 85 mechanics, EP values are a limited tool only useful as a rough guide to get rough ideas. To wit, getting hit capped is very important, after which intellect outweighs all other considerations. Because intellect, stamina, and armor rating are tied to item level, you can choose gear with close to optimal priority by simply picking the gear with the highest item level. The most interesting choices are the item slots that have more stat freedom, particularly trinkets.

Another flaw with EP stat weights is they're tailored for a specific gear and talent setup. The values you quoted are for a theoretical player who has the exact gear listed in that particular chardev profile. If that player somehow adds one point of intellect, while keeping all other stats the same, it would be an equivalent dps gain to adding 1.23 points of spell power. But then the gear, as a whole, is a new set of gear, and a simulation for that new gear set would yield new, (slightly) different EP values.

If you use the BiS profile stat values to come up with a gearing algorithm like your 2 haste for every 1 mastery suggestion, that will change things significantly, and you'd have to run a whole new simulation to find the answer to your question. The answer is likely not simple.

Finally, your haste calculations are off. Haste effects are multiplicative, not additive. (And you omitted wrath of air, etc.) As a side note, it isn't possible to reach the gcd haste cap with the currently available gear.

There isn't really any "stacking of haste over mastery". Haste performs better in simulations than mastery, so it gets reforged/gemmed for first. The actual gain of haste where one could potentially have mastery is lower than you might think.

Haste buffs stack multiplicatively. To get 50% haste with a 20% haste buff you divide 1.5 by 1.2 to get 1.25, and again by 1.05 to get 1.19, or 19% base haste excluding raid buffs to get 50% haste with raid buffs and EM. We established during WotLK that while it's generally better to avoid stacking temporary haste buffs, planning your gear around soft haste caps when affected by temporary buffs gives virtually no bonus.

the only new in this 4.2 ptr update is this glyph. i'm sad about it is a prime glyph. hence I think we stick to the LvB, LB, FS glyphs. The only situation it provide a good useage would be in movement heavy fights. therefore if you could run with two ele specs it will helpful in those fights.

Because its a really strong Glyph completely changing the mechanics of a main spell. Seems to be more a pvp-glyph and just situational for pve. In fact I can't really find any encounter where it will be a real dps benefit over the standard prime glyphs.

Nobody doubts that it's useful. What I doubt is that it's a dps-increase over any of the currently used Prime-Glyphs unless there will be a fight with a lot of movement involved. Maybe its slightly better than Glyph of Flame Shock in some encounters but we will have to wait for ptr-tests to get some data.