[Enhancement] BiS gear and set-up discussion (4.3 and onward) - Page 3

Israfel · 01/12/11, 11:40 PM

@Honir

Taking the Elemental Precision discussion into consideration, I removed 1 point from Concussion and 2 points from Reverberation and put them into Elemental Precision, giving me 24163.83 DPS, approximately a 191.98(192) DPS increase.

Output:

EnhSim version 2.3.0

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MH:
miss                746982         6.50%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            2756872        23.98%
hit                 3369446        29.31%
crit                4624370        40.22%
average ap          16489.08       
clip                0              0.00%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          15.15%
procs/swings        14.30%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 2167044        56.86%
crit                1643864        43.14%
average ap          16466.90       

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1039345        56.99%
crit                784351         43.01%
average ap          16453.82       

MH Unleashed Weapon Windfury:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 622572         56.67%
crit                475959         43.33%
average ap          16455.55       

OH:
miss                748266         6.51%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            2759289        24.00%
hit                 3367674        29.29%
crit                4622441        40.20%
average ap          16483.00       
clip                0              0.00%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 10775760       79.42%
crit                2791767        20.58%
cooldown            658407         4.63%
average sp          10371.73       

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1035979        56.81%
crit                787717         43.19%
average ap          16492.51       

OH Unleashed Weapon Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 873082         79.48%
crit                225449         20.52%
average sp          10358.41       

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 589255         44.43%
crit                737031         55.57%
average sp          10357.01       

Flame Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 768967         79.46%
crit                198801         20.54%
average sp          10389.56       
dots hit            4780660        79.45%
dots crit           1236702        20.55%
average dot sp      10419.94       

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 939832         56.86%
crit                713002         43.14%
average ap          16458.96       

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 800254         34.94%
crit                1489823        65.06%
average sp          10387.02       

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1063109        44.57%
crit                1322121        55.43%
average sp          10384.28       

Spirit Wolves:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            1702412        23.98%
hit                 5183410        73.01%
crit                213764         3.01%
average ap          16805.85       

Searing Totem:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 8524438        79.42%
crit                2209007        20.58%
average sp          10358.51       

Searing Flames:
hit                 3783161        79.45%
crit                978823         20.55%
average sp          10348.78       

Trinket2 Damage:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1052615        79.46%
crit                272134         20.54%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 44.22
efficiency          86.32%

flurry uptime                  83.09%
elemental devastation uptime   93.26%
UW Windfury uptime             18.18%
UW Flametongue uptime          21.83%

mh enchant uptime              37.58%
oh enchant uptime              33.74%
stormstrike debuff uptime      98.84%
flame shock uptime             88.12%
lightning shield uptime        100.00%
searing totem uptime           99.77%
searing flame uptime           92.45%


                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 85.83     35.93%
replenishment       16.50     6.91%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
primal wisdom       136.52    57.16%
shamanistic rage    0.00      0.00%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc                0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               4164.92   17.24%    76.65
windfury            1725.99   7.14%     6.35
flametongue         2351.70   9.73%     45.23
searing flames      757.79    3.14%     15.87
stormstrike         1486.57   6.15%     6.08      47.48     22.17%
lava lash           3564.19   14.75%    5.51      21.51     10.04%
searing totem       2374.89   9.83%     1.09      7.48      3.49%
earth shock         804.26    3.33%     4.42      77.69     36.27%
flame shock         1336.45   5.53%     3.23      53.54     25.00%
  direct damage     363.86    27.23%    3.23
  dot tick          972.59    72.77%    20.06
lightning bolt      2397.63   9.92%     7.63      0.00      0.00%
lightning shield    981.33    4.06%     0.14      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       567.45    2.35%     0.55      6.49      3.03%
unleashed elements  987.44    4.09%     3.66      25.02     11.68%
  MH Windfury       374.79    37.96%    3.66
  OH Flametongue    612.65    62.04%    3.66
Trinket2            663.21    2.74%     4.42

DPS                 24163.83
MPS                 214.18
MP2min              25701.88
MRPS                1174.33
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 28.95s
simulation speed: 621783x

Karok(EU) · 01/13/11, 12:30 AM

* Flametongue Weapon procs now deal roughly 20% less damage.
* The Windfury Weapon proc can now trigger 3 additional attacks, up from 2.

from mmo-champ.

Together with the sp->ap change for FT for enhance I'm guessing my timing to get the agi BiS started is spot on.
Lets give this ball some momentum.

With these changes in mind, we can come up with a napkinmath DPS of:

24163.83 - 476.2 (20% less FT dps) + 862.5 (50% more WF dps) = ~24549.

This is still excluding the scaling change from SP to AP for FT however.

Ashunera · 01/13/11, 1:39 AM

There will also be increased Flurry up-time and higher Maelstrom weapon, weapon enchant and trinket proc rates as well.

Cochice · 01/13/11, 4:17 AM

Originally Posted by Karok(EU)

I also removed [Twilight Scale Leggings] from the item pool, it does not seem to drop anywhere yet (going to asume its from sinestra).

They drop from Sinestra, but I don't see why you would "remove them from the item pool." This is a best in slot list after all, and whether or not the boss has been killed is irrelevant to whether or not the item is best in slot. You can probably count on her being dead before the next patch hits (the one that you're making the Agi setup for).

ziff · 01/13/11, 6:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mengus

With the BiS config, I swapped in Tia's Grace Heroic and saw a significant DPS gain.

For my config, I'm subtracting 321 agi and adding 285 mastery (and obviously changing the trinket), so please let me know if my logic is flawed.

You can't just subtract off 321 agility without adjusting all the other stats. You still need to reduce AP, melee crit and spell power.

tempri · 01/14/11, 12:42 PM

Could you do a proper comparison between [Tia's Grace]and [Darkmoon Card: Hurricane]? I've done multiple tests and I'm getting [Tia's Grace] as slightly higher. I may just be calculating it wrong but could you please clarify this once and for all with your EnhSim results?

Ashunera · 01/14/11, 2:29 PM

Originally Posted by tempri

Could you do a proper comparison between [Tia's Grace]and [Darkmoon Card: Hurricane]? I've done multiple tests and I'm getting [Tia's Grace] as slightly higher. I may just be calculating it wrong but could you please clarify this once and for all with your EnhSim results?

Apparently I made a mistake somewhere, you are indeed correct - Tia's Grace comes out on top until 4.0.6.

It's impossible to be sure at this point, but changes in 4.0.6 will put DMC:H back on top as far as I can tell.

Infuria · 01/14/11, 6:23 PM

It bears mention that Chardev is not functioning properly. Professions are not yielding stats. They appear as red. They are not counted in the stats which are being used in our .txt files accordingly.

I believe the Chardev admin has fixed the problem, now.

Source: chardev 8 - Cataclysm Beta

Honir · 01/14/11, 11:05 PM

Well, when i select nothing as profession my agility is 4685. When i select Enchanting as profession it is 4769, so, yes, its working.

Oceanoffire · 01/22/11, 6:03 PM

Under the current BIS list
chardev 8 - Cataclysm Beta

It has been posted having 1658 hit and 367 / 20/20 expert. Is there a reason for this? Mistake? Correct me if im wrong but 1742 hit and 541 expert as posted by Cochice.
http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t110295-...ssion/#Hit_Cap

Rouncer · 01/22/11, 7:39 PM

Originally Posted by Oceanoffire

Under the current BIS list
chardev 8 - Cataclysm Beta

It has been posted having 1658 hit and 367 / 20/20 expert. Is there a reason for this? Mistake? Correct me if im wrong but 1742 hit and 541 expert as posted by Cochice.
http://elitistjerks.com/f79/t110295-...ssion/#Hit_Cap

It's a BiS list. That means you follow the rules and if you can come up with something that does better dps, you post it. Currently the best dps possible is without being hit or expertise capped because that's the way it worked out. Doubt that anyone reading this thread have anywhere near the gear it lists so I also doubt that anyone will actually pull more dps being below the hit or expertise caps. However that doesn't mean it won't be the case, which is why we sim out everything and assume nothing.

Morninglory · 01/23/11, 1:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ashunera

As Ryethe said, Halfus, Nefarian's phase 2 adds, and Cho'gall's faceless adds are able to be interrupted permanently without Reverberation. I can't speak for 25. It's a nice talent, but far from required, and there should be next to no situations that make it required. I've yet to see a raid situation where it's on the level of Ancestral Swiftness or Shamanistic Rage for even one encounter.

Not to get back on this, but there is one situation where reverberation is required to interrupt and that is Omnitron with a two shaman rotation on arcane annihilator (due to WS 2 sec lockout). All other fights it's been my experience that it is not required at all. I run 3/3 EP at all other times.

Lyska · 01/23/11, 4:23 AM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

It's a BiS list. That means you follow the rules and if you can come up with something that does better dps, you post it. Currently the best dps possible is without being hit or expertise capped because that's the way it worked out. Doubt that anyone reading this thread have anywhere near the gear it lists so I also doubt that anyone will actually pull more dps being below the hit or expertise caps. However that doesn't mean it won't be the case, which is why we sim out everything and assume nothing.

If the current best possible setup is without being hit capped or expertise capped, will that still be put up at BiS? I am pretty sure you and I feel the same way about certain aspects of the BiS page. My philosophy is that not missing an interrupt is infinitely more important than doing an extra 50 DPS. After reading some of your posts, I believe you have a similar view concerning talent builds (which I personally do not agree with if you're still an advocate of including Imp FN, but that's beside the point). It seems like we should either include every change, no matter its repercussions, or none of them.

Ashunera · 01/23/11, 10:57 AM

To be clear, the profile in the OP is spell hit capped. The Spirit from the chest enchant and Andoros in conjunction with Elemental Precision make it so. Expertise is notably less valuable, and Mastery pulls ahead at that level using FT/FT.

ophidiandusk · 01/27/11, 3:58 AM

Thoughts on the changes to unheeded warning on the ptr?

Unheeded Warning - Item - World of Warcraft

Assuming the ICD is still the same (50s) it averages out to ~136 weapon damage.

Could be a contender for a trinket spot if the proc 'double-dips' in our weapon damage based abilities/talent modifiers?

Currently seeing 'lightning strike' (the card proc) registering at between 4-8% of overall damage. Most of the time hovering at about 4.3%.

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Not showing correctly on mouseover.

Unheeded Warning
Binds when equipped
Unique-Equipped
Trinket
+321 Agility
Requires Level 85
Item Level 359
Equip: Your melee attacks have a chance to increase your weapon damage by 680 for 10 sec.