Ok. So quick question, I follow one of the 10man builds on page 1 with TC and no BotE.

I tank heal on Reg Modes(noob.. i know. Darrowmere ftw.) for my 10man and with all the reading I've done it says that Earthliving won't make up for much of your healing on 10s. With that being said, I checked my parses last night for our run through Atramedes and I noticed that without being Specced into BotE, Earthliving healed for 6% and my AA healed for only 4%. Those can be found here. World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Is it still worth the points in AA over EL?

Your math is incorrect. Assume an initial heal of 10K.

No glyph: bounces heal for 70% of the previous heal.
10K
7K
4.9K
3.43K

Total: 25.33K


With glyph: bounces heal for 80.5% of the previous heal. (70% * 1.15 = 80.5%)
9K
7.25K
5.83K
4.69K

Total: 26.77K

I think the main strength of AA over EL is it's emergency value - Your 60k crit becomes 80k healing of value, instead of having a 60k crit and a HoT. If you're healing a tank overall healing numbers become much less relevant, as long as you're not running low on mana from "sustain".

Furthermore, there is a secondary benefit here. The only heal that is reduced in effectiveness is the first one. If your Chain Heal target ends up getting topped off just before your heal lands, the subsequent three hits will still find the lowest health targets, meaning those three heals are the ones "guaranteed" (assuming that many people need it) to be useful. The glyph weakens the one hit that is less likely to be useful, and strengthens the hits that are more likely to hit someone who needs it, in addition to providing a net throughput buff across the entire heal.

Rhaegal's point was that if the first target is overhealed, but any subsequent targets are not, then the spell only needs to hit 2 targets for the glyph to be a healing throughput gain. Your point echoes the one I made in this post, where I showed that in two different overhealing situations, 3 targets are required for the glyph to provide a healing gain. In both of my examples, everyone in the raid has the same health deficit, which isn't always realistic.

Because Chain Heal is a smart heal, I'm inclined to side with Rhaegal's interpretation rather than my own. I'm at least willing to consider sometimes the situation will favor one model, and sometimes another. Perhaps the true break-even point between glyphed and unglyphed is ~2.5 targets.

Yes you should, you aren't going to get much more mileage out of Earthliving than you currently do by speccing into BotE. If you spec out of AA, however, you instantly lose 4% of your healing.

Vice you should point out that this is for 10man-raid. In 25s EL-heal will be about thrice the amount of AA-heal and thus for 25s it's a valid option to spec out of AA for more raidhealing oriented options such as focussed insights while keeping EL specced.

I don't think I've come across the original research on this topic of Earthliving proc chances when I did the research for the first post. Does anyone remember where that was?

I plan to be converting to a pretty much full crit build based EP/TC spec but one thing I cant decide is which haste breakpoint I should be trying to achieve. Assume any conditions can be met as far as raid buffs and gear choices.

You're asking the wrong question, for two reasons.

Crit is already a competitive stat for single target healing because of its regen benefits, and will only become stronger with the 4.2 change to healing crits. But the shaman raid healing strengths don't favor single target healing, and a TC/EP build doesn't rely on crits for regen, and gets more benefit from haste. So the concept of a crit TC build is flawed.

Your question about haste breakpoints echoes a misguided gearing approach. Throughput gains from haste don't plateau after the various breakpoints, rather haste provides steady increases between breakpoints. Aiming for a particular breakpoint and then reforging or regemming to ensure you don't have too much isn't harmful, since all our secondary stats are useful. But it isn't beneficial either. It's wasted effort.

I like the recommendation from the Discipline guide:For further information, there was a good discussion about relative stat values on page 2 of this thread.

Note that the Necromantic Focus effect stacks with periodic spell effects, not with direct damage effects, so for full uptime, you would need to keep up Flame Shock on at least one target. Unless I'm misunderstanding you or the way the proc works, it would be irrelevant to whether you have a TC build, as Lightning Bolt would not grant the effect. If anything, for a TC build, that would be yet more time spend doing something other than healing, making it less attractive. That said, it does synergize more with FI-based builds.