[top]Stats at LvL85 with T13 BiS and EotE

Supabump · 09/17/12, 1:25 PM

I am currently in great debate as to whether pandaren or orc is the superior race choice for enhancement, especially now that we gain more benefit from increased pet damage. Ultimately it seems that it comes down to the effectiveness of blood fury as agility scales relative to attack power at level 90 and I am not sure of the value/necessity of the bonus expertise in t14 (purely for min/max), as I have not looked at the stat totals on gear.

sirtyface · 09/17/12, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by Supabump

I am currently in great debate as to whether pandaren or orc is the superior race choice for enhancement, especially now that we gain more benefit from increased pet damage. Ultimately it seems that it comes down to the effectiveness of blood fury as agility scales relative to attack power at level 90 and I am not sure of the value/necessity of the bonus expertise in t14 (purely for min/max), as I have not looked at the stat totals on gear.

Unless I'm mistaken, this is the racial breakdown (Orc vs. Pandaren):
Pandaren: +100% food buff (works out to 300 agi with the best food)
Orc: +2% pet damage (wolves, eles?), +4514 AP for 15s every 2min = 564.25 static AP, +1% expertise (340 rating)

So it works out to 300 agi vs 564.25 AP + 340 expertise + whatever 2% pet damage works out to. I believe Orcs win.

♦ Avriel · 09/18/12, 8:35 AM

So to confirm, Pandaren will be the most superior race for Alliance? I've been trying to do some comparison with the hit reduction for draenei but keep coming back to that straight agility buff.

sirtyface · 09/18/12, 9:56 AM

In the interest of completeness, here's a complete breakdown of the races and their bonuses (in order best > worst, in my opinion). NOTE: I've converted all of the CDs to static boosts, and all bonuses to their approximate rating values so they can be compared more easily using the average EPs.

Alliance

Race	DPS Bonuses	Other Bonuses
Pandaren	300 agility	Short duration CC
Draenei	340 hit rating	20% HP HoT
Dwarf	340 expertise rating (rarely used)	10% damage reduction CD + remove poison/disease/bleed

Horde

Race	DPS Bonuses	Other Bonuses
Orc	564.25 AP, 340 exp. rating (almost always used), 2% pet damage
Pandaren	300 agility	Short duration CC
Troll	~470 haste rating, +5% damage vs. beasts	15% lower duration on snares/roots, small health regen boost
Goblin	423 haste rating	rocket jump (note on rocket barrage: it activates the GCD, so likely not worth using)
Tauren		Short duration AoE CC

Ronark · 09/18/12, 5:43 PM

I believe the guardians have dynamic secondary stat values, but I'm unsure with Primary stats. Casting FE/EE/SW after bloodlust gives them one more GCD with Hero/Lust than if you cast them vice versa.

Supabump · 09/18/12, 5:54 PM

Fire elemental is the only cooldown that we should be using in tandem with lust, since SW are used rotationally; because FE lasts 1m and lust only lasts 40 seconds, you will actually gain more benefit from planting FE and then lusting. The difference will likely be miniscule either way.

Ronark · 09/18/12, 9:23 PM

AssumIng you aren't running the FE Major glyph or T.Restoration, yes.

CodeNameSly · 09/18/12, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Supabump

Fire elemental is the only cooldown that we should be using in tandem with lust, since SW are used rotationally; because FE lasts 1m and lust only lasts 40 seconds, you will actually gain more benefit from planting FE and then lusting. The difference will likely be miniscule either way.

Wouldn't stacking Stormlash Totem and Ascendance with Lust also be important?

Ronark · 09/18/12, 11:06 PM

Supabump was only listing cool downs which have guardian components.

Hothgor · 09/21/12, 10:52 AM

I was testing the Orc Command racial on Beta a few months back and noted on the forums that it only affected the Fire Elemental, not the Spirit Wolves. GC said it was a bug, and promised to get it fixed. Of course 2 days later they nerfed command to 2% from 5%, so it's potential benefit was essentially obliterated...still, it's safe to say it does affect Fire/Earth Elementals.

Xaoxinn · 10/05/12, 8:42 AM

Why is earth elemental on the priority list yet fire elemental isn't? Surely, FE > EE+ST, Or am I not quite understanding something somewhere?

Kagitaar · 10/05/12, 4:56 PM

Originally Posted by Xaoxinn

Why is earth elemental on the priority list yet fire elemental isn't? Surely, FE > EE+ST, Or am I not quite understanding something somewhere?

FE isn't on the list for the same reason Ascendance isn't on the list; they are CDs, not rotational abilities. Since CDs need to be used at different times on different fights, and you plan when to pop them, they are left up to your discretion. SW on the other-hand should be used every time it comes up, same with EE, when applicable. They do not provide the same damage boost so lining up pots, trinkets, BL, etc isn't as critical, and oftentimes having them out more often is better than holding them for the perfect time.

AxisOtaku · 10/06/12, 7:24 AM

Are these stats still the same for level 90 with heroic(or higher) gear?

[top]Stats at LvL85 with T13 BiS and EotE

Stat	Value
Agility	3.81
Haste	2.49
Mastery	2.15
Crit	1.95

Cause im at the gemming part and since the agi stats on gems are 1/2 of the secondary then red sokets would be the 320 expertise, the yellow would be 320haste/mastery and blue would be 320 hit (and you would reforge after gemming this way I think).

Pyrdon · 10/07/12, 5:07 AM

They are probably not. Sim it yourself. I'll try to update the guide as soon as possible, but right now I'm a little bit concerned with my own raid preparations. But I think I'll find some time tomorrow.
You will probably want to gem the way you did in Cata, meaning AGi as the highest priority.

Myranne · 10/10/12, 2:51 AM

With the current changes to our elemental's in MoP, shouldn't we have our Fire Ele as the main priority as it gives us stacks.