Kaideq

Totally agree, easy solution I have found for myself is to macro the totem swap into the heroism button. If you swap the totem in the Heroism GC you will net get an additional one. ( Stole this idea from the paladin relic swapping addon)
Thus not wasting the haste proc on heroism and or drum use as you can do the same trick on drums I spose, I haven't used drums since I was enhance at TBC start. Actually considering to re-level leather working for Sunwell and get herbalism on an alt, as I am in love with haste rating at the moment.
The nice part about sky call totem is, it gets better the more haste you have. Every haste item you get slowly pushes the value up.

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Lucitron

I've not made up my mind yet regarding Spell Haste, but so far it looks like that if you go for it, then you should go for it full out. Regarding exchanging the Nethestrike Set, then personally I'm considering Belt of Blasting + 35 Badge Leather Bracers. With Bliz' pumping up our mana regen to silly levels, I feel that MP5 is starting to become as wasted stat as +Spirit.

 

czokalapik

Well, generally most of you dps goes from LB. Tbh i'm using Flame Shock only when i'm in a move and can't stop running, Frost/Earth only if i'm sure i won't overaggro, or if i have to overaggro. And CL gives less on single target than LB.

So best choice for Elemental shaman is just spam LB with use of EM+NS+Searing totem (40/0/21) or EM+ToW (41/0/20).
Ofc there are situations where you can use your shock because you are moving for example, or dmg 2-3 targets with CL - use those situations if it wont break LB-spam on single target.

 

whave

Umm I think CL gives a lot more damage than LB, being 1.5 second spell... as has been discussed here numerous times

 

kingkaos

Really depends on youre gear, dmg/haste and 4pc t6 probably most specifically. I know when Im rolling with trinket procs up(Sextant, Hex head, exalted sage ring) that my CL hits significantly less than LB, like 200-400 less dmg on non crits. Mind you of course that this is with around 2k spell dmg and only lasts for the 15-20sec proc durations. CL is out of the question with Lust up, I spend more time getting cast error messages when I try.

 

• Binkenstein

CL > LB for DPS until you get sufficient haste.
LB > CL for direct spell damage ignoring cast times.

 

Aramund

I personally replaced my Netherstrike set with the Hauberk of the Furious Elements, the Starfire Girdle, and the Vindicator's Mail Bracers. The badge bracers aren't to good IMO and I prefer the Starfire over the Belt of Blasting because I can't stand losing too much Stamina.

 

Buanna

Is there any way we can get the other thread closed or change the name of this one to "The Two Stop Elemental Stop"?

Having them both is redundant.

 

Hardbody

I recently switched my nexus horn for Quag's Eye, and so far im starting to see returns. I managed to pick up the Neck from ZA, along with the boots, and I have a couple of BT haste pieces. Im planning on running out to do some Boom tests tonight and see how my normal non haste set compares to my haste set.

Ill get back when tests are done.

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Kasi

So with the haste set you are taking out CL completely and just spamming LB?

I am definitely curious to see how a non haste set with more dmg/crit does with a 3xLB, 1xCL rotation versus a hasted set with LB spam that has less damage. It gets confusing to me, especially when you start to contrast things like the Teron totem vs the badge totem and so on.

I like the idea of a hasted LB spam rotation, well at least on single target fights, still much prefer to use CL/LB3 on MH trash or fights like Kael and Akama. If it can be shown to be better dps that would be interesting. Also not sure how much use Dr. Boom will really be, because shaman dps is so much more variable due to spell crit rates.

 

Daidalos

So far I've fixed some bugs and I added hit and haste calculations into my sim. If I have time today I'll add in CL LB rotations if not you can expect sim numbers for that stuff next week.

 

Hardbody

I will probably do 2 tests of 3/1 in my non haste set.

Then 2 tests of straight LB in my non haste set.

Then 2 tests of 3/1 in 100 or so haste using 3/1.

The 2 tests of straight LB in 100 or so haste.


I will be totem swapping to Totem of the void for heroism. (lol ancestral Guidance has NEVER dropped on our server to my knowledge)

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Kasi

Yeah it hasn't dropped for us either, then again we have only killed him twice. I am still waiting for Akama and Naj'entus as well. The thing with testing on Dr. Boom with CL is that there are mobs nearby that you can splash with it, which pretty much kills the comparison for single target dps testing. God I wish Blizzard would put targettable dummies in the capital cities that you could just go and do stuff to to test things.

 

Hardbody

Bah, true, I forgot about the little bots, looks like ill be testing straight LB spam.


Oh, and we are going back to Patchwork this sunday, Maybe that will help. I could do 1 week in haste and one week in non haste gear.

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Draegan

Where do you start replacing the Netherstrike set? According to Bink's sheet you can get rid of the Netherstrike BPlate with the T5 chestpiece and gain 6 DEP. Am I correct in this?

Also, just for confirmation, the Skycall Totem is a direct upgrade to Void at lower end damage levels correct? My numbers seem to say it is, and I've read that in a few preliminary posts in this thread as well.

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• Binkenstein

If it breaks the set bonus, it may be worth keeping it.

Skycall v Void is 50/50 imo.

 

Jini

You have to keep in mind that when you break up the Netherpiece set that you lose the 23 extra spell damage. The DEP effect of the set bonus is not accounted for in any of the individual pages. You need to do that yourself for your value of spell damage. Replacing the chest with T5 alone will not cover the loss of the set bonus.

I'm looking at the badge chest plus the Vindicator's wrist/belt pieces. The question I'm facing is to replace two pieces at once or wait until I have all three.

 

Kasi

I had to break two pieces before Netherstrike became obsolete, and this was barely in regards to dmg/crit, especially damage our most important stat. The main advantage I got was health/int. The two pieces I broke it with were Supremus's bracers and the MH chest drop. Just replacing one piece with a better item will not be an upgrade for you.

 

Draegan

Thats what I figured. I couldn't find any direct upgrades in T5. Until you can overcome the Set bonus, the Netherstrikes seems like the best option. Thanks guys.

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Thorgrim

One thing I'm having trouble with, as someone who is only into Kara, is how to prioritize upgrades from the badge merchant. It seems to make sense to skip the pieces that I can upgrade by an alternate path (mostly pvp), because that allows me to use income from two sources, speeding up how fast I can get pieces, etc.

From the leftover stuff, is the Skycall Totem far and away the best first choice, given the low price? It seems like there should be a way to mathematically determine which of those pieces are the best 'value' for the cost and go from there, but I've been scratching my head for a while and no math has fallen out. Beyond just looking at ilvl, that is.

 

Daidalos

The math is there. Convert the amount of spell dmg, crit and haste gained by that peice into equiv spell dmg and sum up and then div by number of badges for best upgrade / badges. And no it is not a static amount it will depend on your current gear so we you cannot tell you which is best.

 

Thorgrim

Yeah that makes sense. Understood on the dependency on what I already have.

 

Kasi

Well your options are:

Totem
Shield
Shoulders
Chest
Gloves
Bracers
Belt
Boots

If you are a LW and have Netherstrike, I'd hold off on the chest/belt/bracers for now. If you are doing Kara, then if you can get T4 two piece bonus that is pretty nice, as the 20 spell damage to group is probably better than individual pieces. (even considering how subpar T4 gloves are)

So that to me leaves boots, shoulders, totem as the 3 to buy first. The badge boots are better than Hurricane boots as well, although not by a lot. So I'd go totem, shoulders, boots, chest, belt, then bracers (not mail, get the leather ones, much better) The PVP bracers are also very good. The badges mail belt is better than the PVP one, as is the badges mail boots.

 

Skyhoof

This was from an earlier post when we were trying to figure out the new spell damage co-efficient of Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning. I had always thought that both Earth Shock and Frost Shock received a 5% penalty since they were snaring or had another impairing ability. However, the co-efficient cited above of .386 would suggest a 10% penalty.

Instant cast spell = 42.86% spell damage * .90 = 38.60%
Whereas a 5% penalty gives you a co-efficient of 40.71%

Could someone set me straight on which spell damage co-efficient is correct (*cough* Bink)? Thanks.

 

Yaranaika

As far as testing Dr. Boom with CL, what I do to get a rough estimate (obviously, it's not perfect), filter SWStats for "Damage to Target", select Dr. Boom, and DPS for a set amount of time (I use ClockFu with the seconds enabled to get it fairly accurate), and divide your damage dealt by the time you ran. For example, if I do a 2 minute time slice for DPS, and deal 100,000 damage, then I would divide it by 120 to get 833 dps.